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Most Overused Planet or Moon |
Coruscant |
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6% |
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Nar Shaddaa |
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6% |
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Bespin |
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Yavin IV |
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10% |
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Tatooine |
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76% |
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Hellcat Grand Moff
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:31 am Post subject: Most Overused Planet or Moon |
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Coruscant - "Coruscant… the capital of the Republic… the entire planet is one big city." Just about any time you set your adventure in the chances are pretty good that Coruscant will be the galactic capital. And depending on the time on the time period you could find yourself fighting to defend the Republic from the Seperatists, taking part in a Rebel Alliance mission to recover intel on Imperial Center, defending against the Imperial Remnant, or even fighting to try and keep the planet out of the hands of the Vong. Or maybe your not affiliated with anyone but end up finding yourself embroiled in galactic politics.
Nar Shaddaa - "Ah, the beautiful stench and decay of desperate living." Just like Coruscant the Smuggler's Moon is one big city. It's just the kind of place to find and/or sale illegal goods. Or for smuggler types to have a little fun. Nar Shaddaa could also make a good place to hide from Imperial law, the folks on Nar Shaddaa usually have little love for the Empire so they might be willing to help you. Or if the price is right turn you over. They may not have much love for the Republic or the New Republic either. Of course you may have to deal with the Hutts or any bounty hunters who are sent to bring you in.
Bespin - "You truely belong here with us among the clouds." Cloud City, a wonderful place to do a little gambling, get some refined tibanna gas for your blaster power packs, or maybe have a little intrigue. Like Nar Shaddaa Bespin cou;ld be a great place to deal in illegal goods. Of course depending on what's happening there may be a decsent sized presence of who ever is in political control over the galaxy so if you're a wanted criminal you may find youreslf having to try to lay low on Cloud City.
Yavin IV - "Great events happened here on Yavin IV…you can get a real sense of history." Force-users seems drawn to the fourth moon of Yavin like parents to their kids' Halloween candy. Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow fled there following his defeat in the Great Hyperspace War. Exar Kun set up his base of operations there. Anakin Skywalker and Asajj Ventress fought their first duel there. Luke Skywalker established his Jedi Academy there. Freedon Nadd traveled there to learn the ways of the dark side from Naga Sadow. And Yavin IV has often seen itself at the center of historic events. If you're playing during the Galactic Civil War your players may find themselves embroiled in the defense of Yavin IV or the follow up evacuation of the planet. Or if you're playing during the time New Republic you may have a Jedi character who just has to go there for some training at some point.
Tatooine - "Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from." For a planet that's supposed to be so far from the center of the universe it certainly seems more important than Coruscant. Lucas certainly liked Tatooine, it appears in nearly all the movies, and often appears in the games, books, and comics. It seems practically everybody whose anybody has to pass through Tatooine at least once in their life. Especially if you're name is Skywalker or you're a member of that family. _________________ FLUFFY for President!!!!
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Hellcat Grand Moff
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ultimately everything. Movies, games, TV, RPG, comics, books, etc.. Primarily I'm looking at RPGing, but just about everything on this list has made it into more than just RPGing. _________________ FLUFFY for President!!!!
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dadofett Sub-Lieutenant
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Funny how generally it isn't even the whole planet/moon but primarily one location/city on it. |
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Hellcat Grand Moff
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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True. But when you think about it some planets, even if it's just one location, get visited a lot. Just looking at ANH, ESB, RotJ TPM, AotC, RotS, and the Clone Wars animated movie we visit Tatooine in six of the seven movies. ANH we start off in orbit over Tatooine and then transfer to the planet. RotJ we start of on Tatooine, and in the SE and DVD we travel back to Tatooine breifly at the end of the movie. TPM we travel from Naboo to Tatooine. AotC we again travel from Naboo to Tatooine. RotS we end on Tatooine. And CW we start on Tatooine and make several trips back. I mean Luke describes the planet as if it's a place where pretty much nothing happens when we first meet him, the kind of place you want to get away from. But for such an "unimportant" world, it sure seems to see a lot of use. _________________ FLUFFY for President!!!!
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Hellcat wrote: | But when you think about it some planets, even if it's just one location, get visited a lot. Just looking at ANH, ESB, RotJ TPM, AotC, RotS, and the Clone Wars animated movie we visit Tatooine in six of the seven movies. ANH we start off in orbit over Tatooine and then transfer to the planet. RotJ we start of on Tatooine, and in the SE and DVD we travel back to Tatooine breifly at the end of the movie. TPM we travel from Naboo to Tatooine. AotC we again travel from Naboo to Tatooine. RotS we end on Tatooine. And CW we start on Tatooine and make several trips back. I mean Luke describes the planet as if it's a place where pretty much nothing happens when we first meet him, the kind of place you want to get away from. But for such an "unimportant" world, it sure seems to see a lot of use. |
That is just a look at Tatooine in the movies. In the films, it is the only home of Shmi, the Lars and Jabba, and at times the home of Anakin, Luke, and Obi-Wan. So of course a lot of the story is going to happen there. Chronologically, it all started with Tatooine being a place that the Trade Federation had no influence on because it was controlled by the Hutts, and the rest comes naturally. In the context of the films alone, I don't see any problem with all Tatooine's appearances. It may be far from the bright center of the universe, but most of the classic trilogy takes place in the outer rim and the prequels are all over the galaxy, so Tatooine can still be and is a central planet to the plot of the galactic saga that is Star Wars. _________________ *
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Most Overused Planet or Moon |
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With respect to the EU, I voted for Yavin. From watching the movie as a kid, I always envisioned Yavin as not having any significant contact with the Republic (or Empire) until ANH. It makes the most sense to me for the Rebels to choose that location for their main Rebel base. They found a remote moon with ancient temples built by some extinct race, and used them for their base. Sure, maybe some Republic scouts had discovered it a long time ago and named the system. In the EU, I was a little weary of a Sith Lord living there 4000 years ago (let alone his spirit still living there). But I took greater exception to Anakin going there during the Clone Wars. It's not exactly that remote of a system if it had relatively recent visitation, which would have made it a poor choice for a Rebel base. I guess it might be an easy system for the New Republic to win from Empire post-RotJ, but it still seems overused in the EU to me.
As far as RPG adventures goes, I believe I have only ever ran two adventures there. One was a Rebel evacuation adventure (which I envision the process beginning immediately after the award ceremony at the end of ANH). And the other was a Rebel return to the system that involved infiltrating an Imperial scientific installation that had collected and analyzed reckage from the Death Star (I think that was inspired by material in the GG2). The system has definitely not been overused in my games. _________________ *
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Hellcat Grand Moff
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Whill wrote: | Hellcat wrote: | But when you think about it some planets, even if it's just one location, get visited a lot. Just looking at ANH, ESB, RotJ TPM, AotC, RotS, and the Clone Wars animated movie we visit Tatooine in six of the seven movies. ANH we start off in orbit over Tatooine and then transfer to the planet. RotJ we start of on Tatooine, and in the SE and DVD we travel back to Tatooine breifly at the end of the movie. TPM we travel from Naboo to Tatooine. AotC we again travel from Naboo to Tatooine. RotS we end on Tatooine. And CW we start on Tatooine and make several trips back. I mean Luke describes the planet as if it's a place where pretty much nothing happens when we first meet him, the kind of place you want to get away from. But for such an "unimportant" world, it sure seems to see a lot of use. |
That is just a look at Tatooine in the movies. In the films, it is the only home of Shmi, the Lars and Jabba, and at times the home of Anakin, Luke, and Obi-Wan. So of course a lot of the story is going to happen there. Chronologically, it all started with Tatooine being a place that the Trade Federation had no influence on because it was controlled by the Hutts, and the rest comes naturally. In the context of the films alone, I don't see any problem with all Tatooine's appearances. It may be far from the bright center of the universe, but most of the classic trilogy takes place in the outer rim and the prequels are all over the galaxy, so Tatooine can still be and is a central planet to the plot of the galactic saga that is Star Wars. |
Yes, it is just the movies, but that was all I was pointing out. Just looking at the movies we visit Tatooine a lot. The current TV series we have at least one visit there if I recall correctly. Then what about the video games. Knights of the Old Republic, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Battlefront, Battlefront II, Battlefront: Renegade Squadron, Battlefront: Elite Squadron, Yoda Stories, Rebel Assault, Force Commander, Masters of Teras Kasi, Episode I Racer, Racer Revenge, and there's gotta be others (not movie tie-in games either as you'd kinda expect them to go to the places in the movie their tied too). Then how many different books and comics feature Tatooine.
But you get my point, it's some place we keep returning to again and again. You said the same basic thing about Yavin IV. _________________ FLUFFY for President!!!!
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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The main difference being, Tatooine is not a planet with hidden Rebel base in the ruins an extinct ancient primitive civilization. I'm not contesting that Tatooine is not used a lot in the EU, but this thread asked for forum user imput on the most overused.
If you were going for just total # of appearances, then facts would determine a count for each and it wouldn't be up to each user to choose. I felt it was plainly implicit by this thread's poll that "overused" is defined by a personal evaluation of the relationship between the total # of appearances of each planet and the total # of uses each planets should have. If you didn't mean that, then I don't see any purpose to your poll. You can just go to Wookieepedia and count the # of appearances of each and come up with the planet that is "used" the most. Most used and overused and are not the same thing.
Tatooine may have a lot more total appearances in the EU, but in my opinion Yavin is more "overused" because it should have less uses in relation to its total # of appearances.
And in the RPG, it is very easy for GMs to think of reasons for PCs to have adventures there. Tatooine is adventure waiting to happen! I've used Tatooine in most of my campaigns and it has never gotten boring to me or my players over the years. Yavin doesn't have nearly that many uses for me as a GM. _________________ *
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Azai Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well, one thing that bothers me about Tatooine is how the "Republic doesn't exist" out there, yet a lot of Republic activity takes place. Within the EU, Video games, and new clone wars series.
Then when you look at a new hope, you have a general idea that much of the "youth" of Tatooine wants to get off. Higher Education doesn't seem to exist, hence trying to get to the Academy on other planets, and unless you are a "thug" there isn't much opportunity there.
I see where Hellcat is coming from. I enjoy Tatooine, I could do many adventures there over and over and have fun... Yet it does appear a lot for a planet that is not suppose to but that significant is the grand scope of the galaxy. Especially glaring in EU, video games and the Clone Wars series.
I mean if the Jedi are visiting Tatooine a lot in the Clone Wars, wouldn't they have a moral obligation to try and start enforcing basic human rights for the populace? Like the Republic banning slavery? |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: Tatooine |
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Azai wrote: | Tatooine... for a planet that is not suppose to but that significant is the grand scope of the galaxy. |
Tatooine is significant in the grand scope of the galaxy. The Chosen One (the "Son of Suns") that does destroy the Sith Order does come from the planet and spent half of his childhood growing up there. And his son, who served as the object of the Chosen One's compassion and love which inspired the Jedi to return making the destruction of the Sith possible, spent his entire childhood growing up on the planet. It's a mythological motif that the hero comes from some rural backwater. And also, one of the most powerful crime lords in the galaxy lives on Tatooine. I'd say the planet is extremely significant to the grand scheme of things in Star Wars.
Azai wrote: | I mean if the Jedi are visiting Tatooine a lot in the Clone Wars, wouldn't they have a moral obligation to try and start enforcing basic human rights for the populace? Like the Republic banning slavery? |
That's a good point, but I can only guess that until TPM, Tatooine was completely off the radar of the Jedi. The Jedi are guardians of peace and justice in the Republic, and Tatooine is outside of the Republic (which is why I imagine that if Jabba is going to live outside of Hutt Space, that he would still base his operations outside the Republic). As far the time after TMP, I imagine that the Republic is in such a bad shape that the Jedi are spread pretty thin as it is, so they really don't have the resources to devote to the rest galaxy outside of the Republic. Would the Jedi feel a moral obligation to fight for sentient rights on Tatooine and take on Jabba the Hutt directly? Yes. But would they actually be able to? The role of the Jedi Order in the Republic is written into the goverment, so their first obligation is the Republic. It is part of their oaths they swear to protect the Republic. Qui-Gon Jinn said, "I didn't actually come here to free slaves." His primary mission was get Queen Amidala to Coruscant in the interest of addressing the current oppression of the planet Naboo, a Republic planet.
Azai wrote: | Well, one thing that bothers me about Tatooine is how the "Republic doesn't exist" out there, yet a lot of Republic activity takes place. Within the EU, Video games, and new clone wars series... |
I think that's an excellent point. I don't like that aspect of the EU either. There is no doubt that Tatooine is also overused in the EU.
OK, I can see how Jabba and the independent Hutt Space may factor into the Clone Wars somewhat. It makes sense to me that Jabba and/or the Hutts would officially become allies of the Republic, because that would serve to partially explain why the Hutts continue to enjoy their freedoms in the time of the Galactic Empire. And that explains how Tatooine may have a nominal Imperial presense in the time of the Rebellion (of course still truly under the control of Jabba).
That being said, I think it strains credulity that the Republic and the Jedi would have so many dealings on the planet. And I see a major continuity problem with Anakin ever going back to the system in between AotC and ANH, but that is mostly another issue entirely. _________________ *
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Hellcat Grand Moff
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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I get what you're saying about Yavin IV Whill. With the description Luke gives of Tatooine, heck even Han seems to feel the same way about the place, I see Tatooine as the kind of place where folks want to get away from. But both places have become so heavily used that they pretty much loose their meaning. _________________ FLUFFY for President!!!!
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Mikael Hasselstein Line Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:24 am Post subject: |
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It's obviously true that Tatooine has been used a lot. However, I'd disagree that it's been used too much.
Part of why we play SWd6 is because we love SW. Going o Tatooine is familiar turf, and I think that's what makes is fun to use. |
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Matthias777 Commodore
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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I'd have to say Tatooine as far as the EU goes, Yavin for campaigns probably (though not in my experience; I don't think I've ever been to Yavin in-game. _________________ Arek | Kage |
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Azai Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I never played a Yavin campaign either. I could see a lot of possibilities with the planet, especially with galaxy guide 2.
Has anyone ever run a good Bespin Campaign? I'd feel it'd be similar to an all city planet... In that you can only hang out on floating cities. |
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