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Should WHITE be allowed as a lightsaber blade color? |
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No, because they aren't in the movies/games |
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No, because there are no crystals that allow them |
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No, because you can't have white without black |
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No, but I don't know why |
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I don't know / I have no opinion |
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Boomer Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I go with something similar to the LightSaber color rules from Dark Forces 2 multiplayer.
In that game, in Multiplayer, if Lightsabers were allowed you picked the color. There were the three slider bars, and the blade was one solid color. You could have pink lightsabers, gold, silver, white, and even black.
Black was a very difficult one to explain. It was simply cancelling out/blocking light, we said.
Think about it though, what if there were only three crystals? Red, Green, Blue... thos primary colors of light are all that are needed to begin a mix n' match to whatever color you want.
Now, i cannot see how a full removal of the crystals will result in you even having a lightsaber, let alone a Black Lightsaber blade.
But by controlling the amount of Red, Green, and Blue, you can literally any color. So long as it is one color, no lava sabers, or invisible blades.
But still, you could have BLACK LIGHTSABERS in that game. It was wild. They are the only color I cannot really allow in my games. Nor can I explain them. _________________ My backpack has jets!
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Maximilian Bernas Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 149 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have a jedi from Bimmisari. He has an Amber colored saber (Bimms wear saffron colored stuff predominantly) and the crystal is natural (such a color in nature is all too common).
White sabers are all colors. Ever seen a prism? White light is simply all the colors together. White should be fine Black, on the other hand, is the absence of light and would be more difficult to explain.
Amber is cool. Even a young Yoda used it in some fan art:
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Tahlorn Lieutenant
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 98
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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My two cents:
It's a game. Let the players have the colors as they want, unless it seems stupid (lava lamp) or powerful (UV) to you as the GM. Unique equiptment is one of the things that helps one personalize thier characters, making it what they want. So let them have thier fun.
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Endwyn Commander
Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 481
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I really don't care since the color is such a trivial detail. (I wouldn't allow clear because the PC would try to abuse it like it was invisible.) But white and black I would consider if a player wanted it.
In reality however, those colors wouldn't be possibe as saber colors as they are described in the game books. It's stated somewhere that the crystal has to be monocromatic. (Which means one color.) White and black of course being the presense and absense of all color would not be monocromatic. I don't have an issue with colors like green because they inhabit the spectrum and not the end cap of the range, or the absolutes. But in reality you can easily pick apart all of the "super-science" behind a lightsaber. If green is a combination of colors, what's wrong with a color that is by definition all colors? If two's fine, why not all? If you can have all colors, why not the absence of color? Ect.... You can even pick apart other stuffs. So I say, if a pc wants it, talk to them about it. Regardless of what they want, it's not really unreasonable to allow white and/or black - but they are definalty going to be rare (since they aren't seen anywhere in the EU), so as long as the PC's willing to quest, why not let them find something rare that has little game effect, a cool story effect, and makes everyone happy? JMO _________________ Luke, I am your father.
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Morpheus Grifullkin Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 174 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares if white was not in the movies or games. Game Masters have the right to decide to put any lightsaber color in there sessions of SW. My jedi has black lightsabers, those were'nt in the movies or games. _________________ Morpheus Grifullkin
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Again, it all comes down to what the GM is going to allow. The best GMs are going to allow something reasonable, as long as the player can come up with a halfway (ok, maybe three-fourths of the way) plausible reason as to why this item can exist. Also, the GM might even work with the player to come up with said reason. If they can arrive at a consensus, then usually the item will be allowed. If the explanation is shaky, either disallow the item or allow it with some drawbacks. Perhaps make them spend extra CPs to bring it up to the level they want, or simply to have it in the first place.
Quote: | Imbuding is just one way of preparing a lightsaber crystal. It is not exclusively Sith. Many of Luke's JA students used this practice as well. |
Actually, imbuing the crystal is kinda part and parcel of the whole lightsaber creation process. If you read I, Jedi, you'll see the process Corran Horn goes through to make his lightsaber. The instructions were pretty well laid out. And it isn't just the crystal; the Jedi is actually in a Force trance during the entire assembly, binding each piece to himself or herself and each other through the Force, so that the lightsaber is more than the sum of its parts; the lightsaber is infinitely more energy-conservative than it would be if it were simply assembled without the trance process. This would definitely explain why they're so rare, outside of Jedi circles. But since the traditional explanation of the blade's color has always been due to the crystal(s) used, there would be no limit to the color possibilities.
In fact, the original plan Lucas had was for the blades to be white. However, when they began filming they had problems with the blades showing up against the backgrounds, and therefore went to colored blades. But if you use a diamond to get your color, it would be either white or silver, as is Corran Horn's. |
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Doo Doo Cadet
Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 10 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: |
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My thinking is, that the color of the blade is the color of the crystal, or a combination of crystals (eg, blue + yellow = green). If you don't want the players to have a certain color, don't let them find the crystal in game. Some colors like black or invisible would just be stupid. Others just wouldn't fit. Who agrees that a brown saber would look anti-climactic? |
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't want a brown lightsaber... there's way too many bad jokes that would come from that... |
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Dan Solo Ensign
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 42
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Skyler wrote: | I wouldn't want a brown lightsaber... there's way too many bad jokes that would come from that... |
As for myself, I like a white saber. A black saber would be just silly, though.
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Well, I wouldn't necessarily call a black saber silly... not like a baby poop yellow saber, or a pink saber, or a brown one. Nope; black would be pretty cool in comparison... |
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KageRyu Commodore
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1391 Location: Lost in the cracks
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Endwyn wrote: | ...In reality however, those colors wouldn't be possibe as saber colors as they are described in the game books. It's stated somewhere that the crystal has to be monocromatic. (Which means one color.) |
I think what they were aiming for was that the crystal had to be a single pure color, as oposed to mixed colors, striations, variations, etc. Granted, this is speculation, but makes more sense to me.
Quote: | White and black of course being the presense and absense of all color would not be monocromatic. |
A purely white crystal would be monochromatic, in a sense. I feel this would be keeping in the spirit of what was meant. I do not feel they were considering the extremely differential possibilities of light waves and diffusion or refraction, though it could be argued these are at the heart of how a lightsaber operates.
Quote: | I don't have an issue with colors like green because they inhabit the spectrum and not the end cap of the range, or the absolutes. But in reality you can easily pick apart all of the "super-science" behind a lightsaber. If green is a combination of colors, what's wrong with a color that is by definition all colors? If two's fine, why not all? |
As far as green being two colors, that is an issue of pigmentation, not light. On a spectrum, the colors flow smoothly from one end to the other, and all points in between, there is no real seperator between blue or yellow, and green isn't really a mix. This is more due to human definitions of color and pigment, and not a property of naturla light. But, I digress.
Overall, though, I agree with you. Colors are really a matter for player and GM to discuss. I would consider most reasonable color requests, though there would be the quest to find a suitable crystal. Also, I can't remember for sure where, but I remember reading about lightsabers constructed with more than one color, that could shift their hue. To me, this seems reasonable, and I would definately consider allowing it (with a difficulty modifier for more complexity of course).
A lightsaber is really one of the defining pieces of equipment posessed by a Jedi, and I feel the GM and the Player alike should work together and be open minded so the game is more enjoyable for all. After all, in the grand scheme, when the Bounty Hunter modifies his blaster to 7D from 5D, why should a question of lightsaber color get stuck in the GMs craw? _________________ "There's a set way to gain new Force Points and it represents a very nice system, where you're rewarded for heroism, not for being a poor conductor to electricity." ~Jachra |
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CAPTAININSANO Cadet
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 7
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing that comes to my mind as to why there are no white lightsabers in the movies is the fact that they would be hard to see. I mean have you watched the old movies on VHS in a while? Kind of grainy. Plus colors are cooler. Really.
In general I only think of color of the lightsaber as important in two cases. The fact that the bad guys have red sabers is pretty closely tied to the anger and passion, while the lighter colors are geared more towards calm. And the other idea that strikes me is that Obi Wan and Anakin fight each other with the same color in Episode III.
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Actually, Lucas cleared that up in an interview. Originally, ALL lightsaber blades were to be white, case closed. But when they started filming, they WERE very hard to see against the backgrounds, so they went to colored blades. |
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KageRyu Commodore
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1391 Location: Lost in the cracks
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but Lucas said in "another" interview, he always intended for there to be only two lightsaber colors: Green, and Red. We know, however, there are also Blue and Purple lightsabers. So, how many DSPs does Lucas have for deception? I lost count. _________________ "There's a set way to gain new Force Points and it represents a very nice system, where you're rewarded for heroism, not for being a poor conductor to electricity." ~Jachra |
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you want to be technical, he wouldn't get any. A Jedi SHOULD prefer deception over physical violence. They should try any and ALL methods of getting through a situation before resorting to violence. The drawing of a lightsaber is actually a failure to resolve the situation peacefully. So for deception, no DSPs.
However, for doublespeak, about five. His character's in grave danger of falling to the dark side... |
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