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wmseith
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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:07 am Post subject: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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I might sound a little anal by posting this but one thing bothered me, and later my players brought up the same question.
How can you run a smuggler's guild that actually has a code of ethics and still be affiliated with Jabba? Maybe another hutt I could see like Tiranga. But when you get to the part with Drake Paulsen being sent to Jabba for a year, even if it is penance, would they really deal with them?? Or is a smuggler with ethics ridiculous?
Also just started running with 2nd edition revised and expanded. Not sure if I am a fan of the firelinked rules. X-Wing fighter has 4 firelinked laser cannons, doing 6D damage. Now according to the rules I subtract 1d+1 (1d for the first 3 people +1 per the fourth), now subtracting this from 6D= 4d+2 per cannon fired. So why even fire them as firelinked aside from the bonus and lack of penalty?
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Fallon Kell
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Ethics and morals are different. An ethical system can have significant gaps. Some people would offer personal injury lawyers as a good example of these gaps... Suffice it to say that a smuggler with ethics is not necessarily what you would call a "good person".
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Guardian_A
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Fallon Kell is correct, there is a big difference between Ethics and Morals. Think of ethics as a code of conduct that assists a person in decision making.
For example: When Han Solo owed Jabba money. Jabba asked for the money before sending Bounty Hunters after him. It wasnt morals or a concience that kept Jabba from outright killing Han, it was his ethics. After all, if he killed everyone who made a little mistake without giving them a chance to fix that mistake, it would be bad for business.
As for the Fire Linked weapons. Its just a matter of how you use them. I've had players who never use the option, and others who love it. I know that I tend to use Fire Linked weapons when focusing on a single enemy, but when faced with week enemies in a target rich environment, I prefer to fire seperately. |
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Yasriia
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Ethics and moral remind me of AD&D. Like chaotic good vs. lawfull evil  |
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Yasriia wrote: | | Ethics and moral remind me of AD&D. Like chaotic good vs. lawfull evil ;) |
A good comparison, actually. When applied to the above examples, a Lawful Evil D&D character is someone who has ethics, but not morals.
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garhkal
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| Guardian_A wrote: |
As for the Fire Linked weapons. Its just a matter of how you use them. I've had players who never use the option, and others who love it. I know that I tend to use Fire Linked weapons when focusing on a single enemy, but when faced with week enemies in a target rich environment, I prefer to fire seperately. |
IMO that boils down to whether you like a lot of "Gnat" bite hits, or one big smack.
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Guardian_A
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| garhkal wrote: | | Guardian_A wrote: |
As for the Fire Linked weapons. Its just a matter of how you use them. I've had players who never use the option, and others who love it. I know that I tend to use Fire Linked weapons when focusing on a single enemy, but when faced with week enemies in a target rich environment, I prefer to fire seperately. |
IMO that boils down to whether you like a lot of "Gnat" bite hits, or one big smack. |
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Bren
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| wmseith wrote: | | Not sure if I am a fan of the firelinked rules. X-Wing fighter has 4 firelinked laser cannons, doing 6D damage. |
I house rule the firelinking as powers of two. Makes the math work out better.
So for us the X-wing can fire in three modes. Quad, Double, or Single fire.
Each single laser cannon does 4D damage. Each doubling of the number of weapons increases either the damage or the chance to hit by +1D.
So Quad is the normal writeup. 3D fire control 6D damage
Double is 4D fire control 5D damage.
Single is 5D fire control 4D damage. |
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Fallon Kell
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| Bren wrote: | | wmseith wrote: | | Not sure if I am a fan of the firelinked rules. X-Wing fighter has 4 firelinked laser cannons, doing 6D damage. |
I house rule the firelinking as powers of two. Makes the math work out better.
So for us the X-wing can fire in three modes. Quad, Double, or Single fire.
Each single laser cannon does 4D damage. Each doubling of the number of weapons increases either the damage or the chance to hit by +1D.
So Quad is the normal writeup. 3D fire control 6D damage
Double is 4D fire control 5D damage.
Single is 5D fire control 4D damage. |
That makes sense to me. I've historically allowed un-linked torpedos and such for when you don't want to waste to torps on a one torpedo target, but my thinking hadn't yet gotten as far as unlinking laser cannons for better fire control.
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The Brain
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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Ethical smugglers guild I ca buy, it's the ethical pirates part I have trouble with.
I thought the x-wings lasers default stats (6d damage) are for firing linked.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| The Brain wrote: | | Ethical smugglers guild I ca buy, it's the ethical pirates part I have trouble with. |
Simple. Does the pirate have a code or standard that they follow, such as with regards to treatment of prisoners and the like? If so, they are ethical, if not particularly moral.
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Esoomian
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Simple. Does the pirate have a code or standard that they follow |
The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.
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Hellcat
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| Esoomian wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Simple. Does the pirate have a code or standard that they follow |
The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. |
Where have I heard that line said? It was like a movie or some tv show. I can just hear it being said, but I can't identify the voice or see whose saying it.
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: The Black Bha'lir (black Sands of Socorro) |
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| Hellcat wrote: | | Esoomian wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Simple. Does the pirate have a code or standard that they follow |
The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. |
Where have I heard that line said? It was like a movie or some tv show. I can just hear it being said, but I can't identify the voice or see whose saying it. |
Pirates of the Caribbean (The first one).
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, just got a PM on the same thing. Sorry for derailing the thread, wmseith.
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