Dark Side Power Points... O_o

Kehlin Yew · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: Dark Side Power Points... O_o

If one of your Jedi used darkside powers to defeat a sith/darkside adept or soemthing like that, would you still give them a DSP?

Trusty · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject:

Allst Beamem · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject:

Yes,

Because to draw on the dark side to defeat your enemy you must draw on hate or fear of him, in doing so you are leading yourself down the dark path.

Kehlin Yew · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject:

Allst, that's where i have to disagree, you don't have to hate someone to use a power.

If it worked like that one the darkside, wouldn't it work the same for the lightside, you would have to like someone to use affect mind on them? no, i have to disagree.

I am saying, if they have exhausted their lightside abilities to defeat them, and were not able, then throwing a bit of force lightning at them to finish the battle or something like that, would you still say it leads to the darkside, though they are using it for the good?

Trusty · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject:

We toss out those rules for DSP's. In our game, intent is what determines whether or not they receive a DSP for their actions...

In ROTJ, Luke Force Choked two Gamorreans for standing in his way at Jabba's palace. I mean, come on.

Soniv · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 210

I guess it really depends on the nature of the force power itself, as well as the intent. Telekinetic kill, or the 'force choke', is simply another method of using telekinesis, but force lightning, according to most sources, is the physical manifestation of the Dark Side's energy.

So, Force Lightning would pretty much be auto-DSP by my rules, but if someone came up with a clever way to use TKK without killing the person, and to promote some greater good, (IE, entry into a fortress to save your friend in carbonite), I would be more lenient. Again, this is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

Argamoth · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 234

Well, in RotJ Luke did start down the dark side after his fight with Vader, but managed to resist. Even though defeating Vader was good, he used his negative emotions to do it.

Soniv · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 210

Well yes, but he still called upon the dark side. That's different than simply using the Force to harm. Basically, if one can use the Force in a calm state of mind, and there was no other non-violent way available to pacify the person in the way, one could use the Force to attack. When Luke fought Vader though, he was clearly in a state of rage and confusion, meriting the DSP.

Hellcat · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:07 am Post subject:

Soniv · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 210

I think the real debate is what can be considered a dark side power. And I also think that the general consensus is that a dark side power should be a power that requires one to use the emotions of the Dark Side to use. I am of the opinion that a DSP is gained through intent, and that the "inherently evil" powers should only be those that require an evil state of mind to use. Basically, the autoDSP is there because the person has to be meriting a DSP in its use to use it. I for one would be hard-pressed to think of a way to use Force Lightning or Feed on Dark Side in a manner of good. However, I can see Doppleganger as not meriting a dark side point if the Jedi were using it to simply escape pursuit. I'm rehashing old points and refining them, so maybe I should stop talking for now. I'll post again if I have something new to say.

Hellcat · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:25 am Post subject:

Any power that warns of recieving a DSP requires you to call on the dark side unless the power specifies a certain way in which you would get a DSP when using it.
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Boomer · Captain Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol

The Emperor was trying to tempt luke into using his force powers improperly to defeat Vader and himself. To draw Luke down the dark path by releasing his hate to accomplish the task.

Now, calling upon the Dark Side to defeat a Sith, that would be a difficult Force Sense er sumthing roll. It is only easy to use the Dark Side when actively promoting evil.

But no matter what, you gain a Dark Side Point.

Edit:
After readinf some more of the posts.

Ok, so they used a force power against the Sith, not calling upon a Dark Side Force Point. That is VERY diffrent. Since they are already using force powers to kill them, why should Force Lightning and TK be any diffrent against a Sith. That is perfectly acceptable.
Just don't Kamehameha every problem with lightning, it will definitely lead to the darkside for that.
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KageRyu · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:16 am Post subject:

Allst Beamem · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:34 am Post subject:

Phalanks Balas · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:45 am Post subject:

That exactly what I think :

A force sensitive caracter must be carefull to how he uses the force and what are the consequences of his action :

there is the manner and the result. Both must follow the light side.
Using dark side power to make the good leads quickly to the dark side because of bad feelings used to succeed (you have chosen the quickly way).
Using light side power to make bad action of course leads also to the dark side because of the result.
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