Can Jedi get Married?

[JonnyBot]

Well if you are part of the Jedi Order sure. You can't get married. Thats a rule. Doesn't make it right, but its a rule. Except for one problem. The jedi order is dead.

You can't use Anakin as an example because he was destined to fall anyway. Balance of the force does not mean destroying evil for good. It means balancing the playing field. And just because Anakin had a vision and went all emo, doesn't really reflect on how all jedi would react.

In essence, your saying that a Jedi shouldn't have people they care about, which by your view, would mean that in doing so, they would eventually fall. Which is not true. Obi-Wan loved Anakin like a brother. He really cared about him. But when Anakin fell, he knew what had to be done. Either turn him back to the light or kill him. He handled the situation like a Jedi should have.

[Stule]

Sure, and Obi-Wan was one of the greatest Jedi Knights and Masters of his day.

Again, not every Jedi is Obi-Wan.

In fact, most Jedi try to live up to him, and Mace, and Yoda.

And as for caring about Anakin....Jedi cared about people all the time.

But Marriage?

Sex?

Kids?

These are things that are removed from just plain simple friendship.

Unless your trying to tell me that the feelings that I have for my best friend or even my brother are the same as those I have for my wife (Which they are certainly Not!)

A jedi can care about someone, but to love someone, to have children with them? To put the Jedi Order before their own wife? Their own kids?

I don't care who you are.

Try putting your family second to something and lets see how long you keep it.

My point is....

What was it?

Oh yeah!

Marriage is an emotional rollercoaster.

And a Jedi spends his life controlling his emotions.

It's a dangerous combination.

And all to often I would think it would lead to the Darkside.



Oh.....and about the Jedi Order being dead...

Um...we should talk about that on Sunday.

[JonnyBot]

In the end, its how well they can control their emotions.

Sure you get into arguments with your wife. Doesn't mean you force strangle her immediately afterwards. You calm down and work it out.

And as long as both parties understand that "work comes before pleasure" the whole putting the order before your wife shouldn't be an issue. My girl certanly understands this.

As a jedi, you can get angry or sad, you just can't act out of anger or sadness. I'd assume the same goes for love. You can't just turn off your emotions like a faucet.

Just because the "Council" didn't want to risk it, doesn't mean it's going to happen every time.

[Volar the Healer]

When Anakin said "attachment is forbidden" I figured that means Jedi can't marry. Otherwise his "marriage" to Senator Amadala wouldn't have needed to be secret. Also, since I don't see a single example otherwise in the movie, I'm going to decide that jedi are forbidden to marry. That's my best guess.
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[Stule]

Well said Volar!!!



Jonnybot....

You keep forgetting that the Council didn't want to risk it at all.

They didn't even want it happening once.

They were so worried about what would happen, that they just forbade it.

As for work coming before pleasure.....

Sure work comes first, but what I am talking about is this...

does your Job come before your Wife?

Would you lose your Job or your Wife?

If you honestly answer this question, then you will see what I am getting at.

A Jedi's job HAS to come first.
No matter what.

Now if two Jedi's were to marry, and both understood that they came second to each other and that the job came first, then maybe that would work.

But then you have this problem...

Jedi #1
Bob the Jedi gets married to Suzi the Jedi.
Suzi the Jedi then gets captured (sold into slavery or worse).
Old Bob is then going to waltz over to the bad guy, controlling his emotions the whole time, and wreak some Jedi Justice.
Then Bob and Suzi are reunited.
Bob and Suzi repulsorlift off into the sunset.

Jedi #2
Bob the Jedi gets married to Suzi the Jedi.
Suzi the Jedi then gets captured (sold into slavery or worse).
Bob unleashes a can of Jedi whoopass on whoever took his wife.
And by the time Bob is done, he is going to have himself a couple of Darkside points if he hasn't turned by the end of the rescue.
Bob and Suzi take Bob's new Star Destroyer out for a test drive.

Now your either Jedi #1 or Jedi #2.

Most people are Jedi #2.

Only a very few people can actually be Jedi #1.

And that is what the Jedi Council wants to avoid.

Remember that a Jedi can feel emotion, but they can not be ruled by it.
And getting married, having a family is allowing Love to guide you and lead you. It is allowing Love to dominate you (sounds kinda evil don't it?).

And one more time for the hearing impaired...

(A little muppet shuffles on stage.)

"Love leads to Jealousy."
"Jealousy leads to Anger."
"Anger leads to Hate."
"Hate leads to Suffering."

(The little muppet shuffles offstage.)

A Jedi can feel and expierience emotion.
They just can't let it control them.
With that said....

Why would they want to get married in the first place?
(Besides the sex....)

8)

[JonnyBot]

Easy answer, why do we humans get married? Same thing. Again you are taking it to extremes. Just because you would slaughter everything in your path to get your wife back, doesn't mean nobody else would think things through a little more.

Besides, it is clear we will never agree on this.

(The only reason Riktor hasn't proposed to her is because I'm afriad you are going to pull this stuff and make me regret it. Which I hate you for )

[Hellcat]

Even during the prequel era it was not impossible for Jedi to marry and have families, though it was very highly frowned upon. Vergere Master had married and had several children herself, though she was looked upon by the council as a bit of a maverick. But one who not only had there extreme respect but who could give them cause to question their own actions. Ki-Adi-Mundi was indeed married several times without the council looking down on him, though their attitude towards him was one of the exceptions as on his world the women greatly outnumber the men.

As for Yoda agreeing with you, Stule, yes he would do so.... before Padme's death and Anakin's turn to the dark side at least. In the end of the RotS novelization Yoda admits that the Jedi had become to stagnat and unwelcoming to change.
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[Shaen Gallows]

I have a few opinions on this topic that I would like to share, feel free to flame or agree as you see fit.

The force being an energy form that flows through all life would have effects on the lives it touched. For many this would go completely unnoticed but in those that are force sensitive it could have some profound effects, almost an alergic reaction or drug induced emotional imbalance much like being Bi-polar. A bi-polar individual experiences extreme emotional highs and lows with none of the middle ground or calm that normal people experience, usualy this is treated by medication but they also teach meditation to help calm those extremes.

I see the Jedi being very similar to a bi-polar condition. Because of their sensitivity to the force their emotions can very easily swing to the extremes, which is why many Jedi would fall victim to the dark side. I don't believe it was the experiencing emotion that was the problem, but the control. And frankly with any kind of martial art or military training that emotional conditioning should be sufficient to maintain an even keel. However once that emotional control begins to crack unless compouser is quickly regained its very easy to spiral out of control.

I firmly that the restrictions on marriage stem from the fear that the emotional breach nessassary for a strong bond with a mate, could quickly become the roller coaster that stule refers to.

However, each individual and each circumstance must be judged on a case by case basis. After all, some individuals are going to be more capable of dealing with certain types of stress then others. The jedi council rather then being forced into the lengthy process of fielding petitions to marry, and dealing with an emotionaly distraught jedi when they were rejected, instead gave out a blanket ruling of celebacy and emotional neutrality.
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[Argamoth]

Yeah, that's what I think of it. Jedi are probably better able to handle married life, but back in the day with the Jedi council they decided against it to keep problems and affairs to a minimum. In Luke's age, there's so little Jedi that any potential troublemakers are dealt with before they get out of hand.

[Boomer]

My first post here, EVER. And I love this game.


Jedi not being allowed to marry is a rule that the Jedi had for a few centuries before their fall. That is it, plain and simple. You can think of many reasons why it is a good rule, many reasons why it is a bad rule. Towards the end, it was obviously not a very important rule.

For THOUSANDS of years, Jedi could marry and have children. And unless Luke puts that rule into the New Jedi Order, than it will be that way again.

That is it, plain and simple, it is a rule with good and bad points, that during a huge crisis situation, like the complete fall of the Jedi, the rule didn't seem to matter. Obi-Wan didn't go to kick Anakin out of The Order, but try and redeem him.

What lead to Anakin's fall wasn't just the vision, but his impatience, his unwillingness to listen to the other Jedi, and his willingness to turn to the dark side and even beleive the Sith could help him in the end.

Even if he had no wife, Palpatine could have used the death of Anakin's mother to try an encourage him to bring her back. Or the possible death of any of Anakin's other friends.

And despite Anakin's dishonesty, another factor leading him to the Dark Side, Yoda and Obi-Wan figured it out anyway. How could he and Padme not be... ya know... that thing they were doing... makin' babies.

[Lord Aramus]

Forget the connotations of a Jedi Marriage for a minute.

Consider the Jedi Divorce.

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[Endwyn]

Jedi can, in certain circumstances get married. When, why, and how? Don't ask me, the only given examples aren't explained to my knowledge. What did it come down to? The counsel said it was OK. Like so many other thing their perogative and wisdom prevails.

The concern is that marriage will cause them to become attached and lead them down a dark path. So it's not liked. Why would they expel Anakin...hum, when something is frowned upon, only permitted with the Counsel's permission and you go behind their back and do it anyway? Run around living a life of deception and lies in an order devoted to the highest ideals - what do you expect? That lifestyle leads you down a dark path, living a split life torn between two worlds, belonging to neither. The lines become blurrier every day you continue or enhance the deception.
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[Darth_Kjeran]

Chello!

Concerning Ki-Adi-Mundi and marriage:

"Despite adherence to the Jedi philosophies, Ki was, in his hearts, a Cerean. He followed the Cerean custom of polygamous marriage, taking a bond wife, Shea, and four honor wives. He fathered seven daughters and became a strong community leader. Ki was granted this exception because of the low Cerean birthrate. He tried to remain unattached, but it was difficult. He felt this attachment all too deeply when his family was killed during the Clone Wars."

cf: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kiadimundi/?id=eu

I'm working on an Infinities Campaign where it is Ki-Adi-Mundi who is sent to Naboo and who takes Anakin as his Padawan learner....

Tony
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[Endwyn]

That reminds me. If it is of the Jedi's native customs the cousel allows it. So that's one way.
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And Leia is your sister!
That's improbable?
And the Empire will be destroyed by..EWOKS!
That's...highly unlikely.
The Force? Bacteria called midichlorians.
If you don’t take this seriously I'm out.

[garhkal]

The way i would rule for an rpg game, if it is set during the old republic (upto the clone wars) then most likely no, unless it is part of your culture to marry. If during the rise of the emipre upto RoTJ, then yes as no one is around to tell you no.
If during the njo/new republic, it is also ok as the main master, as well as a few others do. Tionne and Kam, Corran and Mirax.... to name a few.
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