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Esoomian
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I've always played that droids start out with zero force points meaning their access to gaining force points is limited to special encounteres/absurdly heroic actions which grant force points. It's never actually happened that a droid has gained a force point in our games but it is possible. In my mind a droid with a force point represents the will of the force rather than the droids own stash of force points.
It always annoys me to see a droid character that starts the game with force points or worse yet as force sensitive.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | I've always played that droids start out with zero force points meaning their access to gaining force points is limited to special encounteres/absurdly heroic actions which grant force points. It's never actually happened that a droid has gained a force point in our games but it is possible. In my mind a droid with a force point represents the will of the force rather than the droids own stash of force points. |
The same could be said about characters, as well.
| Quote: | | It always annoys me to see a droid character that starts the game with force points or worse yet as force sensitive. |
You mean a Shard, or a straight-up droid?
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garhkal
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I can see that E.. Starting out with 0FP 5SP.. and have to earn any FP..
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Esoomian
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Esoomian wrote: | | I've always played that droids start out with zero force points meaning their access to gaining force points is limited to special encounteres/absurdly heroic actions which grant force points. It's never actually happened that a droid has gained a force point in our games but it is possible. In my mind a droid with a force point represents the will of the force rather than the droids own stash of force points. |
The same could be said about characters, as well. |
It could but I choose to think of living creatures as having an existing connection to the force that they can draw on. Great deads and the like may expand that but being alive makes you part of the force and in times of great need it's possible to draw on that. This is however just my own opinion.
| Quote: | | It always annoys me to see a droid character that starts the game with force points or worse yet as force sensitive. |
| crmcneill wrote: | | You mean a Shard, or a straight-up droid? |
Straight up droid. Shards can have force points although in my mind they should really have zero dice in dexterity/strength etc... and have to pilot a droid they're in.
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| I guess it depends on whether your campaign sees the force as 'scientifically quantifiable psychic powers' or 'mystic chi that resides in all things'. |
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garhkal
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I am even mix of both. but i still feel droids as they are not alive, are not part of the force...
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What would balance the absence of FPs for droid characters?
I guess one thing would be that it seems rather easy to rebuild a destroyed (killed) droid. Im looking at Chewie rebuilding C3PO at Cloud City here. As long as the techie doesnt croak you can always (or at least most of the time) come back to life.
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| Quote: | | I am even mix of both. but i still feel droids as they are not alive, are not part of the force... |
In Empire, Yoda states that the force is in all things. He goes so far as to mention a rock. Or, am I wrong? |
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Esoomian
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True and I'm quite happy for rocks (and droids) to be effected by the force but not for them to be active participans in it's shaping except in truely amazing circumstances.
Droids have the ability to 'buy' skills and attributes and build equipment into their own bodies. This at least helps to compensate for their lack of Force Points.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | Droids have the ability to 'buy' skills and attributes and build equipment into their own bodies. This at least helps to compensate for their lack of Force Points. |
Isnt this allready 'balanced' by their total lack of general ability?
Im all for Droids having force points, mechanically-wise. However, if its 'the force' or luck (is it such a thing), who knows.. 
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | Esoomian wrote: | | Droids have the ability to 'buy' skills and attributes and build equipment into their own bodies. This at least helps to compensate for their lack of Force Points. |
Isnt this allready 'balanced' by their total lack of general ability? |
It depends how you make them. You can really munchkin the droids because they start with 25 dice to allocate anywhere. That means it'd be possible to have a droid that had 4D in all attributes and 1D amour. No skills but skills are much easier to improve than character points.
I probably wouldn't allow a character like that without the mother of all backstories but some GMs might.
As Ankhanu has frequently stated D6 Star Wars is not really supposed to be balanced. If you're playing a droid you should expect to be worse than everyone in everything except that which the droid is designed for.
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | What would balance the absence of FPs for droid characters?
I guess one thing would be that it seems rather easy to rebuild a destroyed (killed) droid. Im looking at Chewie rebuilding C3PO at Cloud City here. As long as the techie doesnt croak you can always (or at least most of the time) come back to life. |
Well, I suppose that depends on just how much damage was taken. Was the damage to 3PO actually a Dead level? Was he at a Mortally Wounded or Incapacitated level?
In many cases, it's really no different from an organic; you could be maimed rather than killed on a Dead total, requiring just some medical attention and a prosthesis...
In general, a Destroyed damage total would probably destroy anything about the droid that made it a character (something beyond a stock personality). While the chassis might be reassembled/repaired, the memory/personality would likely be wiped.
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| Ankhanu wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | What would balance the absence of FPs for droid characters?
I guess one thing would be that it seems rather easy to rebuild a destroyed (killed) droid. Im looking at Chewie rebuilding C3PO at Cloud City here. As long as the techie doesnt croak you can always (or at least most of the time) come back to life. |
Well, I suppose that depends on just how much damage was taken. Was the damage to 3PO actually a Dead level? Was he at a Mortally Wounded or Incapacitated level? |
I remember reading in a one of those Star Wars books that show the theoretical insides of things and give a little bit of details about the technology that C3P0 was made from parts that would pull apart rather than break when a large amount of force was applied to them. It meant while he could quite often get smashed to pieces he was fairly easy to repair with only a few replacement parts needed.
I've messed around with making a system whereby attacks that do between X and Y amount of damage over the droid's soak cause it to only take a minimimal amount of damage and fall apart rather than actually taking the full damage but I could never get it quite right.
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | What would balance the absence of FPs for droid characters?
I guess one thing would be that it seems rather easy to rebuild a destroyed (killed) droid. Im looking at Chewie rebuilding C3PO at Cloud City here. As long as the techie doesnt croak you can always (or at least most of the time) come back to life. |
Plus even if the body is destroyed, as long as the 'brain module' has been downloaded or is intact enough to download from, you can 'port it all over to another newer body.
| Quote: | | In Empire, Yoda states that the force is in all things. He goes so far as to mention a rock. Or, am I wrong? |
The force flows through all things.. doesn't make them capable of interacting with it... or should rocks also have force points?
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Can you do a backup of the droids mind/personallity though?
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| garhkal wrote: | | Can you do a backup of the droids mind/personallity though? |
Sure... but like you computer backups, it's only going to be as current as the last backup; and we know how good most people are at backing up their data 
This also requires access to wherever the data is backed up, and having someone willing to install the backup in the new/repaired hardware. Someone isn't always available or willing.
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