Non Force sensitive "jedi" instructor?

[Mamatried]

is force sensitivity required to teach a jedi to be jedi?

here is the scenario in question:

Odon (a player character) is a Minor jedi with a couple of adventures behind him.
he met a scholar who is na expert in jedi lore and techings, but is not force sensitive himself.

Odon wants to learn from this man, to learn more about the jedi and how to be one.

The arguments for this is that the mere lore and philosophy are knowledge that is found in books and scourses and thus anyone can learn this.

The argument against this is based on balance in the game, and that it is (head canon) a requiremnet that the jedi's techer also has to be force sensitive.

What is the general consesus here:

Could this scholar be a jedi techer?
-Are force snsitivity required to learn the jedi techings?

What if any would be limitations to this, other than the scholar can not teach the force use, but can he tech the "morality" and the rest of the techings with the jedi advancing his force abiities on his own under guidance from the "mundane" teacher?

[raithyn]

Who has access to the Force?

That may sound simple but it's an important metaphysical question you should start with. Does knowledge of how to use the Force impart ability (the Force does flow through all living things) or are only those who are "Force sensitive" ever capable of touching it? Star Wars media has directly and indirectly said both at different times.

If having enough knowledge would automatically make a person a Force wielder, then it would be incredibly rare for someone to be a tutor but unable to use it themselves. If only certain people who are strong in the Force can ever wield it, then sure, someone could know all the things without being able to practice them.

It's still possible that a non-Force user could act as a tutor in either case, but it would be like trying to become a practicing member of a religion from an religious studies professor who is interested in all the information but doesn't actually believe themself. The pupil is likely to miss out on important parts of the spiritual practices even as they learn all the history and creeds.

To apply the analogy, a quixotic Jedi could teach a Force sensitive Jedi about the Jedi Order's noble calling, code, breathing exercises, lightsaber forms, and a list of mystical powers but it would be on the Padawan to unlock actual power. Maybe this is easy. (Luke trusting the Force in the trench run could easily have been taught, almost none of Yoda's training for Luke involves Yoda using the Force himself.) Maybe it's difficult. (There's almost no scene in the old Jedi Apprentice series where the Masters are not using the Force while training younglings and apprentice.) Of course, the fact that Jedi keep falling and Sith keep figuring out Dark powers on their own also implies that of you poke around without enough direction or oversight, resisting the Dark side is quite hard.

[FVBonura]

I would rule that you can do this. The Jedi student would be treated as learning on his own without a proper Jedi teacher who can feel the force. Simply double learning times if not triple and double the expenditure of character points.
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[garhkal]

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[raithyn]

I'm not sure I made my point clearly but here's my personal take:

The Force flows through all living things and *wants* to be used. The requirement for a tutor is a game balancing mechanic born from the original movie's adherence to the Campbell cycle but doesn't fit later lore (even Episode VI) or a generalization to life experience. Instead, the the increased cost and die cap system of the Carbon Gray RPG make more intuitive sense to me. Perhaps the student learns from a Jedi Master, a holocron, a training droid, a non-wielder follower of the Whills, an old tome, or just their own research. I don't really see a need to limit that unless there's a specific narrative reason in play for that game.

I would also have the character need to learn how to resist the Dark side or limit which powers can be picked based on the source of their knowledge and character arc. Again, playing on a fact versus practice dichotomy for what's available to them. (There are pros and cons to both learning from a true believer and learning from a non-dogmatic historian.)

[CRMcNeill]

Per the RAW, an instructor must have a skill level at least 2D higher than the student. A non-FS character can’t have skill dice in Force skills, and thus cannot be an instructor in those skills.
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[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

It’s more analogous to someone who’s been blind from birth trying to teach a sighted person how to paint a sunset. They have no personal understanding of a sunset because they lack a crucial sense needed to perceive it. As such, they can only discuss it in an abstract sense based on, at best, second or third-hand knowledge that is in turn limited both by the linguistic and descriptive skills of the source and their own ability to properly comprehend what’s said/written. And finally, they have no way to monitor the progress of the student, no way to correct errors or encourage success.
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[garhkal]

[Forceally]

Actually, there is precedence for this scenario in Canon Star Wars. In the novel Thrawn: Alliances, Thrawn told Vader about the Force-sensitive girls among his people. These girls, whose title translate to "Skywalkers" in Basic, use the Force to guide the Chiss ships throughout their region of space and are able to avoid the numerous navigational hazards that are present there. Thrawn witnessed these girls do this enough times that he was able to guide Vader into how to use the Force to fly the ISD to its destination while avoiding the navigational hazards that were put in place by the Grysks.

[CRMcNeill]

I highly doubt Vader wasn’t already aware of Instinctive Astrogation. That sounds more like poorly written exposition to me.
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[Forceally]

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