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garhkal Sovereign Protector
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I thought it was BOTH R2 and 3po who were that way. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Mamatried Commodore
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yeah C3-PO too, that Duo, being the ones the star wars sage is "told by" and from their perspective.
Now of course this relates to the saga movies, as that would be what they would know about. |
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cheshire Arbiter-General (Moderator)
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I mean, I get it. There are elements of Star Wars that draw from Hidden Fortress. R2 and 3PO have some parallels to Tahei and Matashichi, even if they aren't a 1 to 1 match the way something like Seven Samurai was to the Magnificent Seven.
Tahei and Matashichi are kind of the "lens characters" of Hidden Fortress. We see the movie through their eyes and their misadventures. Unfortunately they are two halves of a whole idiot and they fundamentally do not understand the significance of the events around them. From surviving an attack from the very beginning to their being present for a restoration and honoring of a princess and Samurai they accompanied throughout their misadventures, they don't have either the station or presence of mind to see what's really happened.
R2 and 3PO aren't that bad off in their faculties. While they are comic relief and subject of their circumstances rather than having the impetus and self-determination to be prime movers in the story, they're still more competent than Tahei and Matashichi and bear more importance to the story.
Still, R2 and 3PO are lens characters. We start the journey seeing the battle over Tatooine through their eyes. We follow their path the Luke Skywalker and they carry the McGuffin to get them to the Death Star and to the Yavin. 3PO frets while listening to the battle that R2 is serving in. They're present from beginning to end even if the events of most significance are above their station.
It fits.
Later in the trilogy some of this unravels a bit, Jedi specifically. But in ANH especially, yeah. They're definitely the lens.
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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cheshire wrote: | I mean, I get it. There are elements of Star Wars that draw from Hidden Fortress. R2 and 3PO have some parallels to Tahei and Matashichi, even if they aren't a 1 to 1 match the way something like Seven Samurai was to the Magnificent Seven.
Tahei and Matashichi are kind of the "lens characters" of Hidden Fortress. We see the movie through their eyes and their misadventures. Unfortunately they are two halves of a whole idiot and they fundamentally do not understand the significance of the events around them. From surviving an attack from the very beginning to their being present for a restoration and honoring of a princess and Samurai they accompanied throughout their misadventures, they don't have either the station or presence of mind to see what's really happened.
R2 and 3PO aren't that bad off in their faculties. While they are comic relief and subject of their circumstances rather than having the impetus and self-determination to be prime movers in the story, they're still more competent than Tahei and Matashichi and bear more importance to the story.
Still, R2 and 3PO are lens characters. We start the journey seeing the battle over Tatooine through their eyes. We follow their path the Luke Skywalker and they carry the McGuffin to get them to the Death Star and to the Yavin. 3PO frets while listening to the battle that R2 is serving in. They're present from beginning to end even if the events of most significance are above their station.
It fits.
Later in the trilogy some of this unravels a bit, Jedi specifically. But in ANH especially, yeah. They're definitely the lens.
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Thanks for this post. I strongly recommend that all Star Wars fans watch The Hidden Fortress with the original Japanese dialogue and subtitles of your preferred language. Dubbed dialogue covers up part of the original actor performances.
The movie inspired the plots of both ANH and TPM. Not only did Tahei and Matashichi inspire Threepio and Artoo, but General Hyoe Tadokoro inspired Darth Vader, Princess Yuki inspired both Princess Leia and Queen Amidala, and General Rokurota Makabe inspired Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Samurai from the Super Friends! The two clans inspired the Rebels/Jedi and the Empire/Sith. The Imperial insignia was inspired by the Yamana clan crest. Some of Star Wars' cinematography choices were inspired by The Hidden Fortress. And the movie even uses the decoy bit for Princess Yuki.
Talking about Akira Kurosawa is typical Star Wars topic drift! _________________ *
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