Mixing the games..

[garhkal]

Brought out of a subject over on Dragon's foot where someone asked about "having a game within a game" (mostly for say card games, to give purpsoe to the Gambling proficiencies), has anyone thought of mixing up all the various board games/Minis games we have for SW??

Like when the party is in space combat, shifting it to the X-wing miniatures game, for running? Then if they get into cap ship combat, using Armada.. Or legion for large scale infantry battles??
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[garhkal]

[pakman]

Xwing - Past Attempts
My group had attempted to merge parts of X-wing into D20 starwars with some success - overall we found the following;

* The movement templates were pretty cool, and allowed a grid-less map.
* the simplicity of the range templates were cool too.
* Xwing combat was too deadly for the rpg - a pc ship could go from operational to destroyed - even faster than the rpg - so we used the RPG to hit, damage etc.

We basically just converted certain xwing actions into rpg actions.

Honestly - it worked out fairly well after a few playtesting games.


Xwing - Now on to D6...
Now that we are playing d6 again (d20 had a few nice things, but overall we choose to not play it anymore, preferring a house ruled d6 to be the best of everything).

I am reviewing what we had done previously (action wise, there is a lot of crossover between d20 and d6 - yes, really) and looking at how to incorporate into d6.

One goal is to try and map out the stat blocks for d6 into something compatible - as we have tons of d6 ship stats.

However, this may be a fruitless effort - as proven out by the many discussions and houes rules here - the d6 ship stats are ...messy...and very inconsistent.

One observation - if you convert a ship move into inches - ships in d6 much around a LOT more on a map than x-wing. In some ways this is a positive - but in others - it has obvious logistics considerations (needing a bigger map, flying off the edge).

Anyway, I am slowly working on it - as the xwing minis are really cool, and many of the simplicities work well.

Side note: The goal is to use d6's for everything - not the xwing dice - as they combine both a to hit and damage number into one roll - and it feels difficutl to map certain d6 skills into this - still, not sure.

I will be reviwind movement and combat seperately - then decided where to go from here.

Armada
I love armada, and as a long term wargamer (decades of warhammer, star fleet battles, battletech, starfire, squadleader, second fleet, etc.) I find the rules to be well written, and some exceptionally clever mechanics.

However, my personal feeling - is that captital (bit ships - like SD, not corvettes) - is a scene and story element - not typical RPG battle.

I may be in the minority for this - but I would use abstracted rolls and such a capital ship battle - not an actual space combat.

If I do something for Capital ships however - I will take some inspirations from armada - as I said, it is a pretty good ruleset - for smaller numbers of ships.


Sabacc
My group has a full sbacc (actually more than one) sabacc deck, and tons of metal credits etc. We love to play. We have talked about having the players of my rpg group play in character - but of course, such a think is - how do you best differentiate between PLAYER skill, and character (roll gambling to get another draw?).
(we play a slightly modified version of Cornellian spike, for any sabacc fans out there).



Conclusion
I think a hybrid of xwing with d6 rpg may be the the best of both - is a great idea. Love to see what others have done - as I am embarking on that path myself - just ...time.

I suspect I will end up with something similar to past efforts - something using xwing physical templates for movement and ranges - with d6 mechanics for shooting and damage.

Best of luck to whatever anyone else does, and please share!
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[TauntaunScout]

I've played a lot of SW miniatures games*. I own them all except for SW: Imperial Assault, which I used to own but sold for assorted reasons. I would never use Legion with an RPG. Just use West End's miniatures battles rules and if you need cheap readily found minis, use multiple copies of the Legion core game.

Some of the West End adventure modules culminate in ground battles, at which point they switchover from the RPG to a Star Wars Miniatures Battles scenario. Converting PC stats from SW:TRPG to SWMB is easy.

*I refer only to wargames that use typical RPG style minis. Teeny toy spaceships n'at do not interest me. Even BDA is really pushing the envelope on what I'll accept though I do have 5 armies for that.

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[pakman]

Check out hyperspace props.

They are amazing, and the folks who run it are really nice.
(tell em pak sent you!)

https://hyperspaceprops.com/

As I mentioned - besides playing sabacc - we use them for our credits in the game.

We started using physical props for credits years ago - using the star wars monopoly money, or printed stuff. The players love having something physical and tangible - and it 100% gets around any "did you mark your character sheet". This past game, one of the npcs dropped a bunch of credits - it was fun for me as the gm to throw them out on the gaming table - and hear them clink....and the party scoop them up!

We also use tokens for different expendables - medpacs, grenades etc.
Now, there is not question of "do you have that or is it the locker on the ship - the players disperse equipment in front of them, and can trade credits, blaster packs, medpacs, etc.).

(we have a small storage bin for party stuff - the creds are in there).

now, we use the metal credits - to make remembering values easy - they are written in a sharpie on the back.
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[DougRed4]

I've done literal sabacc games (using two different decks of sabacc cards) at the table amongst my characters.

And in my superhero campaign, I converted a board game called Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation, so that our PCs were the characters, and worked that into one of my games.
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