Reducing MAP penalties for "specialists"

[Mamatried]

I came to think about ROF and some other multiple actions.

I would assume a trained combat pilot can switch between comms, weapons and sensors in faster than what woule be several actions.

as to shooting, I would think a trained soldier who of course by being military is trained in things like auto fire and the like, and to a greate extent than most.

since everyone can specialize in a skill then to me it makes to reduce MAP by 1 or even 2 steps.


the (s)Blaster rifle: XD+X character can decide to actually shoot twise simulating burst or aout fire with map then applied on the 3rd action in stead of norally second.

I can see this for many specializtions acually

[DougRed4]

To me this is already sort of 'baked in', as the people really good at those skills get them high enough to offset the MAP.
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[garhkal]

[Whill]

[KageRyu]

I would also agree with Doug, garhkal, and Whill - and you sort of say it right in your premise:

[CRMcNeill]

Seconded, er... (counts fingers) Fifthed.

This sounds more like what I've proposed elsewhere re Familiarity Bonuses, where a character gets bonus dice with a piece of equipment that they operate on a regular basis, to the point where they've internalized its functions and operating it comes much easier. A bespoke rule for ignoring MAPs focuses too narrowly on that one aspect of what skills can do.
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[garhkal]

[Mamatried]

sp ONE shot in 5 seconds?
I mean hello technology, even the super slow fireing balsters we see on screen shoot faster than 1 shot pr 5 seconds,
walking 10 in 5 secomds is about as fast as most people sleep.

How do we deal with autofire and burst fire wne there are no real rules for this, how do we deal with differececc in traning , not just the dice numbers.

a Military tranied Parachutist and Combat Diver is NOT the same a Civilian Parachutist and hobby diver, even if they have 5D both in Diving.

I am sure ALL divers in the world as SELAS, once they learn how to parachute and take a shooting class?
I mean they ahve the same skills and D leves at times so they myst be the same?

or maybe there is a difference in some types of traning, maybe a military tranied otr a comnat tranied person is capable of dounf things with the weapon that civilians tra ied three times as long doe not....or?

All these factors makes me feel more and more that there is Skill and then there is Skill, with them not being the same.

I can see that a MILITARY pilot maybe has maybe a higher access to specialities than non kilitary, meaning my military pilot and your civilian pilot despite both having 7D piloting skill will not be able to do eachother's job, or even fly the same.

I have driven a car for 30 years, but does that make me EQUAL in skill with the at prfessional racer who drove in 30 years, even if we both invested time in training our driving.

I am probably much "better" than my civilian peers, but I am not a soldier and any trained soldier will see that easy

and this why I feel that the MAP threshold can be move up and down a step.


I can not mechanically see how specialized traning , not a skill speciality, can not warrant moving MAP on some action 1-2 steps.

I am quite sure a tranined combat soldier will have better effect, chances , skill and techniques for Auotfire or "fast" shooting than yu average sofa commado who wnt to the range, or is it so that 8D is 8D and the dice and dice alone decide, well then there is no differenc in a sith and jedi, or a trooper and a senator

[KageRyu]

I have seen this same argument one too many times in the old WEG forums, and in player groups I have been in... so this is the last time I will address it.

5 seconds isn't as long as you seem to think - and I have demonstrated this to players who have made similar arguments as your about actions and die codes by asking them to do something they feel shouldn't be a problem in five seconds while counting it off - they were always shocked at how fast it went.

[pakman]

TLDR Version:

Your specialization DOES reduce the effective penalty of the MAP.

You have specialized in blaster, I have not.
Your total bonus is 6D, mine is 4d.

When we take two shots each, the map, which is 1D - you take them at 5D, I take them at 3D. The map affected your specialized character less.

There you go - the higher the skill of the person, the less effect the map has.
Done.

Longer version:



Most games, and especially this game - are not simulations.

It is an abstract collection of rules use to quantify cinematic activities into a structure which is repeatable, predictable and in theory, easy to use.

Just like in more melee focused games - every die roll does not represent every action (I can swing a sword x times in a y time). it is an approximation of an attempt at an attack.

I have played more ....simulation based mechanics (CEATS in role master - and gurps man to man) and while cool, they don't work as well for rpg combats of more than single vs. single.

If you want to try and say that each trigger pull is a die roll - knock yoruself out. The game rules mostly cover this (ignoring the missing rate of fire for most handheld weapons) - want to shoot two troopers, that is two actions - take your penalty and roll.

Also, I do understand that potential speed of actual single attack movements - as someone who has actual melee combat experience (trained in stage combat, and in fencing, and martial arts) and shooting (hunting, competition shooting etc.) - no game can or should bother.

We are playing with dice and little men, not choreographing a fight scene in john wick, chapter long time ago.

Now, D6 is missing some mechanics that other games have added over the decades - for more rapid attacks, usually representing some sort of real world equivalent (auto fire, double tap, etc.) - typically they have a variety of names attached to them - and various rules (usually a modifier to hit and damage of some kind - varies by system).

In other places in the this (house rules) forum, there are many options for auto fire etc.
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[CRMcNeill]