Obi-Wan Kenobi [Spoilers Allowed]

[Whill]

This is the new thread dedicated to the Obi-Wan Kenobi series on Disney+. Spoilers are allowed here at any time. Outside of this thread, please see the Rancor Pit Spoiler Policy. Thank you.



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[Mamatried]

All i can say is OMG. I loved the episodes so far, and the Leia focus so far was a super surprise, I so love seeing Aldreaan

[fogger1138]

[Mamatried]

Ince the caption is spoilers allowed.

The grand Inquisitor, he is killed by the third sister (reva) in ep 2 in the hangar or what not.

Given that the time here was said to be 10 years after the fall of the republic theis places the series in 9 bby. Now Rebles which is canon has a timeline of 2-0 bby, and here we see the grand Inquistor die by his fall into the melting oven.

so this this makes me wonder if the grand inquistor on rebels in in fact an other person interely and this is why the leak that garnered some mixed fan reaction on that the actor of the Grand Inquistor had purposely NOT seen rebles.

so given that he dies in ep 2 here a full 9 years before his CANON death in rebles could this be the case, these are 2 different persons and even species

[Whill]

Mama, it's cute that you think the Grand Inquisitor is dead. I'll bet you 20 Imperial credits he's not. When Vader finds out why he was injured and needs recovery time, Vader himself get involved in the hunts...

[Darklighter79]

[Mamatried]

[Darklighter79]

[Ninja-Bear]

Darlighter79, I’m going to politely disagree that the dialogue with Yoda shows that Obi-Wan knew that Anakin is Vader. Yoda told Obi-Wan that Anakin turned to the Darkside. Obi-Wan left Anakin for death. Darth Vader shows up, Ben could’ve thought that Vader was just another Inquisitor. I believe Ben knew that Vader is a Force User but that’s about it. I could see that Ben might’ve guess Vader’s identity. But there is a difference between guessing and realizing the horrible truth.

[Darklighter79]

A small reminder scene.
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[Whill]

Yes, I suppose it is possible that Obi-Wan may have believed that the moniker "Darth Vader" may have been recycled to another Imperial agent after Anakin's supposed death, thus allowing for him to have not learned Anakin had survived and to believe it was a different "Darth Vader" who had lead the Inquisitors. But that would be sloppy narratively, and in this case I do not think this is what they are going for. Plus, 'multiple Vaders' that would betray the MO this franchise has demonstrated for the Vader reverence. I actually agree with Darklighter here.

When Lucas made RotS, he did not foresee this inter-trilogy story would ever be told. Therefore, RotS has some contrivances to narratively connect Point A to Point B. Some really interrupted the flow of the story so they got cut, like Lucas establishing the precursor to the Rebel Alliance in RotS. One thing that remained in RotS was Obi-Wan and Yoda learning that Anakin was renamed Darth Vader, which he did by the plot contrivance that Palpatine went to the Jedi Temple and complimented Vader on a job well done, so it would be captured on the security recording that the CT Jedi Masters watched. It's very blatant – Yoda immediately regurgitates reworded RotJ dialogue from Obi-Wan's ghost to Luke about Anakin and Vader being the same person. (And the exposition-crammed hologram references to the "Empire" since it had just been declared elsewhere while the Masters were in the Temple, so Obi-Wan could then immediately start calling Palpatine by his CT title, lol.) Narratively, it is very obvious that Lucas is establishing that this is where they learn that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader. Then Obi-Wan and Yoda believed "Darth Vader" had died on Mustafar, until Obi-Wan learns differently 10 years later in this series. Ewan McGregor started reacting with horror when the Third Sister first mentioned Vader, so I do not feel that he had thought this was just 'another Vader.'

Which then evokes Mamatried's valid question: How could Obi-Wan know about Inquisitors but never have heard of Vader?

My first counter-question is, Did Obi-Wan know about the Inquisitors before they came to Tatooine? He clearly had never left Tatooine since he had first arrived in RotS. Tatooine was not part of the Republic in the PT, and it is still not yet part of the Empire. I imagine that a lot of Jedi survivors of Order 66 went to the Outer Rim Territories to hide from the Empire, so the Inquisitors may travel the Outer Rim looking for them which is why some people on Tatooine had heard of Inquisitors. But as far as we know, the Inquisitors may have never been to Tatooine before this series. Obi-Wan's observation of them from hiding may have been his first experience with them. It was plainly obvious that they are minor level Force users and their job is to hunt down Jedi. That doesn't in any way indicate that Vader is still alive and their leader.

The other thing to consider is, that Vader's days of actively hunting Jedi may be done by this point. He was very busy with this mission early in the Purge, but as more and more of the Masters and more powerful Knights had been accounted for, he would be needed less for this purpose as the Inquisitorius was developed to take over the mission. This show's dialogue establishes that there aren't many "big fish" left to catch, which is why the Third Sister is bored with the minor Jedi and former younglings they are hunting. So it is possible that Obi-Wan may have even heard rumors about the Inquisitors but just never happen to learn that Vader had survived, who may have long since spent his time focusing on other things. It's also a bit of a narrative contrivance, but it just feels like one they are more likely to proceed with than the 'multiple Vaders' concept.

I feel the bigger question you guys are dancing around is, How did the Third Sister know that Vader had been Anakin Skywalker?! Narratively, the purpose she knew is so it could be more dramatic revelation for this show. It makes sense that Grand Moff Tarkin knew, but I can't imagine that many Imperials knew Vader's true identity, especially an Inquisitor under the Grand Inquisitor. Maybe the show will address this.

[fogger1138]

Yeah, I didn't see that scene (in Kenobi) as Obi-Wan learning that Anakin was Vader; I saw it as him learning Vader was alive.

Totally agree with Whill on "how does the Third Sister know he's Anakin" though. That was more jarring to me than his shock at learning Vader was alive.

[Darklighter79]

Kenobi was low-profile on Tatooine, yet he gathered some intel about Inquisitors - like he knew they were former padawans and younglings. And this knowledge is very much post Order 66 and I doubt it was made public (as it would not look good for the Empire to alliance with so called an opposition )

That's why it's hard to believe that in those days of turmoil - first years after fall of the Republic - Vader would be inactive. Yoda and Kenobi still not found. Possible other knights and masters too. And no Inquisitors to deal with this threat yet. So it was all on Vader and clones. Doctrine of fear had to be established and as the Emperor was its face, Vader surely had a role of a punishing hand. And we all know his ways.

[Mamatried]

Reva's Motivation to find Obi Wan...

Could this be a double play by her, if she manages to face him it can lead her to a redemtion she actually might seek, given the memories she have.
driven to the grand price he would be, she would gain a hefty promition if the remdetion path fails and she may even become the grand inquisitor by the catch.

So could she actually be so driven becuse of a pragmatic double play, either get Obi Wan and through him a redemtion or catch him for her reward and promitions, making either outcome a win-win to her as of the series.

[Whill]