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CRMcNeill
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I just stumbled across an interesting fact in the 2R&E Rulebook.
The official write-up for the (A) Medicine includes the option of specializing in different subsets of Medicine, including surgery, cyborging and "medicines" (which I assume is more like the SWU equivalent of pharmacology).
So, while the RAW does not specifically address Advanced Specializations, it does allow it. So, how would the two combine? I assume the training time and CP cost modifiers would cancel each other out, so that an Advanced Specialization would improve at the same rate as a regular skill.
And what would that mean for the glut of Engineering skills? Should (A) Engineering be treated as an Advanced Skill with all the sub-types as Advanced Specializations? What other skills are viable candidates for converting to Advanced Skills? Scholar, perhaps?
Thoughts?
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With (A) Engineering I do not allow sub specialization. I have an (A)____________ Engineering for every ___________ Repair skill. A character can take an engineering skill once a character's repair skill reaches 5D.
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Mamatried
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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A wild guess.
First Aid 5D
(A)Medical 2D
on the checks related to medical roll 2D+5D like normal with Advanced skills.
He attempts surgery, it is part of his training, he is profecient at it but it is not his field as a generalist. he still rolls his medial+first aid on the checks, but once he specializes as a surgeon he does like below
First Aid 5D
(A)Medical 2D
(As)Surgery 1D
He rolls now 2D+1D+5D on his surgery rolls, but his knowledge of pahrmacy(medicine) and anatomy and proctology are still under the medicine umbrella skill at 2D (+5D First Aid)
here specializations are at 1/2 the advanced skill cost (following the 1/2 cp cost for specializations) |
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I'd see it as he'd roll his (A) Medicine, and (S) Pharmacology, skill together. First aid wouldn't come into it.
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| garhkal wrote: | | I'd see it as he'd roll his (A) Medicine, and (S) Pharmacology, skill together. First aid wouldn't come into it. |
I would see this similar to Blaster specialization
Blaster: 3D
(s)Blaster-Rifle: 4D
He rolls 3D for blaster, and 4D for blaster Rifles.
same with the advanced speciality.
the advanced Medicine would be this.
First Aid: 5D
(A)Medicine: 2D
Roll Fisr Aid 5D+2D Medicine
If
(A) Medicine: 2D
(A-s)Surgey: 3D
he rolls 5D first Aid+3D surgery, all other medicine is 5D +2D
What I see I did wrong was with the specialization, while I see it at the normal 1/2 cost, it works like all others.
you can even have a medicine higher than your surgery, though it would be wierd.
so to specialize in advanced skill you have to pay the cost to +1 above the skill (here with advanced cost) and from there is 1/2 advanced skill cost for the specialization.
much like (s)Blaster rifle is used for all blaster rifle attacks, and the blaster skill for the rest. |
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Naaman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Uh-oh.... the can of worms on official rules interpretation has been opened...  |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Naaman wrote: | | Uh-oh.... the can of worms on official rules interpretation has been opened... |
LOL.
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Mamatried
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| griff wrote: | | With (A) Engineering I do not allow sub specialization. I have an (A)____________ Engineering for every ___________ Repair skill. A character can take an engineering skill once a character's repair skill reaches 5D. |
Starfigher Engineering:
one for each individual fighter?
or could you see a specialization here like this?
-Advanced Skill- Starfigher Enginnering
-Specialization- Sienar Design Starfighters |
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:31 am Post subject: |
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To clarify, the proper form for an Advanced Specialization would be something along the lines of “(A) Medicine: Surgery”.
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Naaman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Mamatried wrote: | | griff wrote: | | With (A) Engineering I do not allow sub specialization. I have an (A)____________ Engineering for every ___________ Repair skill. A character can take an engineering skill once a character's repair skill reaches 5D. |
Starfigher Engineering:
one for each individual fighter?
or could you see a specialization here like this?
-Advanced Skill- Starfigher Enginnering
-Specialization- Sienar Design Starfighters |
Technically, the rules allow for both. That is, you can specialize in a single model (such as DL44) or you can specialize in "heavy blaster pistols," (which includes the DL44). |
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | I'd see it as he'd roll his (A) Medicine, and (S) Pharmacology, skill together. First aid wouldn't come into it. |
But why would you stack them if (A) Medicine: Pharmacology doesn’t have (A) Medicine as a prerequisite? Per the RAW, Advanced Skills only stack with the prereq, and normal skills and specializations don’t stack.
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Naaman wrote: | | Technically, the rules allow for both. That is, you can specialize in a single model (such as DL44) or you can specialize in "heavy blaster pistols," (which includes the DL44). |
Makes sense. Of course, an Advanced Specialization then runs into the same problem as a regular specialization - you don’t want to define it too narrowly.
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| griff wrote: | | With (A) Engineering I do not allow sub specialization. I have an (A)____________ Engineering for every ___________ Repair skill. A character can take an engineering skill once a character's repair skill reaches 5D. |
That makes sense given how diverse the various Repair skills are, especially under my own house rule that transfers modification rolls from Repair to Engineering. My only reservation is that there are going to be certain concepts in common that translate across the skill portfolio boundaries, but don’t translate into synergy bonuses when working outside the character’s skill set.
One possibility that occurs to me is allowing a character to roll his skill dice for a plausibly related skill (Starfighter Repair to Space Transport Repair) against the Difficulty in question, which then generates a 1/3 bonus which is then added to the actual skill.
For example, say a Tech has 6D in Space Transport Repair and needs to make a Moderate Repair roll on the repulsorlifts of a landspeeder, but has no dice in Repulsorlift Repair. So he rolls his 6D Space Transport Repair against Moderate Difficulty, and succeeds by 10 points. 10/3 rounded down is 3, so the Tech gets a +3 bonus to his Technical Attribute roll when attempting to repair the landspeeder.
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Naaman
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Naaman wrote: | | Technically, the rules allow for both. That is, you can specialize in a single model (such as DL44) or you can specialize in "heavy blaster pistols," (which includes the DL44). |
Makes sense. Of course, an Advanced Specialization then runs into the same problem as a regular specialization - you don’t want to define it too narrowly. |
I know. It's a little bit silly. If I were running the game, I'd declare categories rather than specific models as the threshold for specializations.
It gets tricky with piloting, but I could see sorting ships into categories such as fighters, bombers, freighters, presonnel transports, etc... |
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Naaman
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | griff wrote: | | With (A) Engineering I do not allow sub specialization. I have an (A)____________ Engineering for every ___________ Repair skill. A character can take an engineering skill once a character's repair skill reaches 5D. |
That makes sense given how diverse the various Repair skills are, especially under my own house rule that transfers modification rolls from Repair to Engineering. My only reservation is that there are going to be certain concepts in common that translate across the skill portfolio boundaries, but don’t translate into synergy bonuses when working outside the character’s skill set.
One possibility that occurs to me is allowing a character to roll his skill dice for a plausibly related skill (Starfighter Repair to Space Transport Repair) against the Difficulty in question, which then generates a 1/3 bonus which is then added to the actual skill.
For example, say a Tech has 6D in Space Transport Repair and needs to make a Moderate Repair roll on the repulsorlifts of a landspeeder, but has no dice in Repulsorlift Repair. So he rolls his 6D Space Transport Repair against Moderate Difficulty, and succeeds by 10 points. 10/3 rounded down is 3, so the Tech gets a +3 bonus to his Technical Attribute roll when attempting to repair the landspeeder. |
There is a lot of potential with the various repair skills when it comes to sensible house ruling. |
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