"Best Star Wars RPG system" [reddit]

[cheshire]

[Naaman]

[Darklighter79]

in SWd20 rule book, i do not remember exactly which, there was a rule of so called "innefective weapons". You cannon cut a rope by attacking it with a club, no matter the damage. I guess sth similar is applied when a character attempts to beat the blast doors or starship hull with bare hands, no matter the martial arts, feats and specialisations. Damage increase with level is not a Dragon Ball style, but rather a precsion in hitting a vurnerable locations.
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[Naaman]

It was a joke. And when a punch deals an average of 5 to 6 times the damage of a lightsaber, its no longer "precision" based damage (lightsabers, blaters, etc can be used with precision as well, but they don't get a bonus for it), but rather fantasy chop-saki ougi secret technique anime type stuff.

[cheshire]

Yeah, I don't think that any of us were actually trying to do unarmed damage to hard targets. And you kind of have to build for it. By contrast, most people are building for additional damage in their blasters and lightsabers. It doesn't modify the weapon, but you can take feats and talents that will grant you a +1 here and a +2 there if you meet certain conditions. So, you can do more damage with lightsabers and blasters, but while you're taking those feats, my character is taking the unarmed feats.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[Naaman]

Exactly. I remember reading an article about SAGA edition wherein the designers mentioned that a soldier was intended to be more "powerful" in combat than a Jedi. And while I "get it," it sort of just flies in the face of the concept laid out by the films. WotC's explanation was that HEROES are powerful, and Jedi are heros, and so that is why they are more powerful than other characters on screen. But the flaw in their logic, IMO, is revealed by the fact that only a Jedi had any chance at defeating Darth Vader, despite the fact that Han, Chewie, and Leia were also heroes.

I will probably never understand why WotC did unarmed damage like they did, and then still bothered to have "monk weapons" which can be used with all the monk special abilities EXCEPT the extra damage (meaning a monk who uses nunchucks always does 1d6 damage, but his punch does up to 4d6).

[cheshire]

Yeah, that was a design choice that not everyone liked about SAGA. It was no secret that in D6 the Jedi will start slower than, then eventually outstrip all non-Force users in the party. SAGA pretty much designed things that if you were a Jedi, you start competent enough with a lightsaber at Level 1 that you wouldn't clobber yourself with it. And they did things to let every class shine, but that every class had an equal crack at being a reasonably contributing party member.

Does that really represent what happened on screen? Well... no. But I get why someone would look for that in a game.

My bigger criticism for the system is that it played very much like a tactical combat RPG better than anything else with the Star Wars name on it. Again, if that's the kind of game you're after, then it should be your go-to. But personally I like the cinematic, broad brush strokes style of D6 for games that I'm running.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[Darklighter79]

[TauntaunScout]

[ReverendKeaton]

[CRMcNeill]

[TauntaunScout]

That sonds right, I mostly played the miniatures game anyways. Again, maybe it was just us but... even if you could learn without a teacher, a campaign never followed a force user long enough for their 1D skill level to improve enough to give them good odds of passing any tests. In retrospect it was like their pathetic force-weakness was why they survived the jedi-hunting. Most people burned up a lot of character points on surviving the games and had little left for skill improvement, neither force skills or regular.

[ReverendKeaton]

In addition to the CP doubling without a teacher I kind of always made sure if they did find a competent teacher he died shortly thereafter.

[Naaman]

So basically, GMs don't like players to play Jedi...

Jedi are so nerfed by RAW, we really should be buffing them in the early game, and then slowing them down mid game, rather than making them slog their way up to "advanced level padawan" and never really be capable of any of the things we actually get to see Jedi do in the films.

[Whill]