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Savar
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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:43 pm Post subject: battle droids |
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the battle droids that required a command computer.
using a shard or a verpine, the droid would need some modification to receive the proper radio freq.
it's a thought |
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JironGhrad
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| I don't think that the droids themselves require modification. It would be more about modifying the transmitter to match the frequency of the droids. KISS: which is easier: modding one transmitter device (which will always still require some kind of control computer; since you have to control the droids) OR modding every droid you want to control? |
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garhkal
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I am not sure verpines can 'send out' the signals needed. Yes they can converse with one another, but i don't see that being the same as sending control information to droids/computers etc..
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JironGhrad
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| garhkal wrote: | | I am not sure verpines can 'send out' the signals needed. Yes they can converse with one another, but i don't see that being the same as sending control information to droids/computers etc.. |
+1.
There's no reason to assume that a "hive-mind effect" is able to be broadcast on any frequency detectable by droids. AND if it, for hypothetical arguments' sake, WERE possible for a Verpine to do that, then it would also be possible to JAM the Verpine, by locating and spamming the correct frequency. |
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Zarn
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In my opinion, that depends entirely on what kind of droid it is. If it can understand Basic (or whatever), then receiving commands through organic telecommunications should be trivial. As an aside, I once managed to whistle a handshake to a telefax, so ...
You might require a Scholar: Droid Tactics or whatever roll, or perhaps a Languages: Battle Droid roll or whatever, but Binary Loadlifters are almost the same as Vaporators so some sort of crossover on the skill should be possible. |
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MrNexx
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Personally, I would let a verpine design or modify a droid so it could be contacted by the hivemind... after all, Verpine can communicate with specially-tuned commlinks. With more difficulty, let one converse within the hivemind... without some really inspired growpramming, though, a droid would have a tendency to "Shout" or "Mumble" in the hive mind.
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garhkal
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I'd say it would be more akin to a re-design on the comms side of the droid, to get it allowed. and the ranges would be much shorter than a proper control ship could have, as i don't see verpines having anywhere near the 'broadcast power' the control ship would.. Say 300 meters at most for an individual..
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JironGhrad
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The battle droids he's talking about though (presumably the ones from the pre-trilogy) don't have on-board processing. They're entirely remote controlled, so the processing is done by the ship or ground-based control computer. If that weren't the case, then blowing the command ship in TPM would have the droids continued to move using the last command they received, rather than shutting down.
While I'd agree that "some droids" could be enabled to function within the Verpine hive system; the Verpine hive is not a control system, it's just a communications-type system. Therefore, "battle droids", unless completely redesigned to function without the control units (which would result in some trade-offs in functionality), should be unable to function strictly on the Verpine hive network. |
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Savar
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| garhkal wrote: | | I'd say it would be more akin to a re-design on the comms side of the droid, to get it allowed. and the ranges would be much shorter than a proper control ship could have, as i don't see verpines having anywhere near the 'broadcast power' the control ship would.. Say 300 meters at most for an individual.. |
well a verpine, not the hive mind, can do 1k RAW.
there would need to have comm mod, reprogramming of the droid.
probably a limit on the number of droids commanded.
and it would take 1 action each round to "command" the droids.
it was a thought.
shards would have the same problem. |
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JironGhrad
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| Savar wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | I'd say it would be more akin to a re-design on the comms side of the droid, to get it allowed. and the ranges would be much shorter than a proper control ship could have, as i don't see verpines having anywhere near the 'broadcast power' the control ship would.. Say 300 meters at most for an individual.. |
well a verpine, not the hive mind, can do 1k RAW.
there would need to have comm mod, reprogramming of the droid.
probably a limit on the number of droids commanded.
and it would take 1 action each round to "command" the droids.
it was a thought.
shards would have the same problem. |
I would say that a shard would be easier since it could, theoretically, build the controller module into its body. A verpine, cool as they are, aren't inherently cyborged so it would still need some kind of external control module. The part you keep missing is that there is NO programming on a battle droid. None. It takes all its direction from the control unit. Without a control unit, it's an inert hunk of parts.
They are, essentially, a computer with no hard disk drive. Those devices are in common use today in several major retailers (Walmart is a good example). If the computer at Walmart loses network connection, it does nothing... blank screen basically.
Without that core feature of the battle droids (remote only operation), what you've described is simply remote programming of a standard droid. For practical purposes, any droid could be equipped with an internal or external comlink and then given direction via that channel; but battle droids are specifically different and therefore the original premise doesn't hold up. |
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garhkal
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| Savar wrote: |
well a verpine, not the hive mind, can do 1k RAW.
there would need to have comm mod, reprogramming of the droid.
probably a limit on the number of droids commanded.
and it would take 1 action each round to "command" the droids.
it was a thought.
shards would have the same problem. |
But that 1k range is for communicating. Not controlling..
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Savar
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| garhkal wrote: | | Savar wrote: |
well a verpine, not the hive mind, can do 1k RAW.
there would need to have comm mod, reprogramming of the droid.
probably a limit on the number of droids commanded.
and it would take 1 action each round to "command" the droids.
it was a thought.
shards would have the same problem. |
But that 1k range is for communicating. Not controlling.. |
that is a point, but what is control but getting someone to do your will. the control is the programming your just communicating instructions. now in battle field conditions with EM interference and such then you have range reductions. also in EM high noise environments you might need do a language check for understanding of the commands given, because of garbled signals. |
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Matthias777
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| JironGhrad wrote: | I would say that a shard would be easier since it could, theoretically, build the controller module into its body. A verpine, cool as they are, aren't inherently cyborged so it would still need some kind of external control module. The part you keep missing is that there is NO programming on a battle droid. None. It takes all its direction from the control unit. Without a control unit, it's an inert hunk of parts.
They are, essentially, a computer with no hard disk drive. Those devices are in common use today in several major retailers (Walmart is a good example). If the computer at Walmart loses network connection, it does nothing... blank screen basically.
Without that core feature of the battle droids (remote only operation), what you've described is simply remote programming of a standard droid. For practical purposes, any droid could be equipped with an internal or external comlink and then given direction via that channel; but battle droids are specifically different and therefore the original premise doesn't hold up. |
What you describe is true of the original droids, but after the Battle of Naboo, the Separatists had their battle droids retrofitted with cognitive modules, allowing them to function completely independently of a Central Command Computer. This is why all of the battle droids seen in The Clone Wars show and in other media work and speak the way that they do.
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JironGhrad
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| Matthias777 wrote: | | What you describe is true of the original droids, but after the Battle of Naboo, the Separatists had their battle droids retrofitted with cognitive modules, allowing them to function completely independently of a Central Command Computer. This is why all of the battle droids seen in The Clone Wars show and in other media work and speak the way that they do. |
I haven't watched the cartoons. While I'm not saying that you're mistaken, the movies didn't address it in any other fashion; since we don't ever see battle droids in an environment where it's reasonable to conclude there isn't some kind of battle controller nearby. Did they say specifically someplace in the cartoons that those changes occurred, or was it merely inferred from changes in behavior?
I've worked for a number of years dealing with all sorts of dumb terminals, and improved function (etc.) could be a simple change (that is, reduction) in the quantity that a given controller manages.
On that note, something else to consider is that the encryption on those particular devices tends to be very crucial, and as such tends to be very difficult to break. While I won't say that I think Star Wars wireless networking is just like our modern tech; a simple MAC (hardware address) filter will lock out a wireless network for any unknown device. Assuming that the Verpine in the original post didn't already own the droids he wanted to control, he would likely need to capture the interface intact in order to use it as a physical bridge in order to gain access to the rest of the droids on the net. |
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garhkal
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Plus how much of his concentration would be taken up Controlling those droids..
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