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tetsuoh
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 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject: Absorb/Dissipte Energy and Lightsabers? |
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Is there ANY reason to believe that a Lightsaber should not be allowed to Absorbed/Dissipated like a blaster bolt or force lightning?
Now I know the book labels only those two examples - but we also got laser welders and plasma cutters, and I'm betting far more but those two come to mind easily.
Take for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdkGEVclMgQ
starting at 3:35 if you don't care to watch the whole thing.
(you should if you have not seen it, even if you don't like the game the trailer's are awesome.)
I don't see why it should not be possible, but I'm guessing they didn't think on this when they wrote it out. Not to mention the rolls would be horrendously difficult if the wielder of said lightsaber had lightsaber combat going (even in our games that reduce the bonuses).
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It's been done before in a few games I've heard about over the years. The problem with using Absorb/Dissipate energy in this way is that it's an all-or-nothing power. Either you absorb/dissipate all of the damage, or you take all of the damage.
I've heard of this going very well in game, and I've also heard of people loosing limbs this way.
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tetsuoh
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Lets face it though - as you see in the above video - Bastila Shan wouldn't have used it if she had another choice.
It was either dodge and hope not be maimed or try to stop the blade.
I can see limbs easily being lost this way as well, but really its a long shot to attempt it to begin with.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who has allowed it. |
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In I, Jedi, Absorb/Dissipate is much more formidable, in that it actually converts absorbed energy into temporary Force energy, which can then be fed back through the character to enhance his Force powers. If you choose to go that route, I would say the initial parry to block the lightsaber would need a Force Point to clear the initial difficulty, but the feedback would provide enough energy in subsequent rounds to keep the power up.
As far as a rule, I would say that for every 4-5 points of energy absorbed, the character receives 1 temporary CP which must be spent on a Force skill roll before the end of the next round or allowed to dissipate unused.
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tetsuoh
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Check the force power collection for - uh redirect energy i believe?
It was the power yoda used to soak dooku's force lightning and return it.
I can see that being more like the I,Jedi concept. |
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Close, but not really. In that case, Yoda is actually redirecting Force Lightning back at Dooku. What happens in I, Jedi is more akin to absorbing Force Lightning and converting it into Force energy which can be used to boost your Alter skill to make a Force Push attack...
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| cheshire wrote: | It's been done before in a few games I've heard about over the years. The problem with using Absorb/Dissipate energy in this way is that it's an all-or-nothing power. Either you absorb/dissipate all of the damage, or you take all of the damage.
I've heard of this going very well in game, and I've also heard of people loosing limbs this way. |
Exactly. You need to roll a control check at 15+ the damage (enhanced most likely with LS combat up), which is going to normally be rather high. And if failed its just a Str roll after.
Also, the novels have 2 mentions of it iirc. First was Corran Horn's grand father (neejad halcon) and i can't remember the 2nd right now..
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That was a specific alteration to the power possessed by the Halycon bloodline. Not all force users.
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It may have been the I, Jedi novel, which has always been one of my favorites...I just haven't read it in a while. (Been catching up on the books I haven't read yet lol)
Anyway, it may have been Nejaa Halcyon who performed the particular instance I remember; in a lightsaber fight, which was going more and more badly for the individual involved, they ended up saving their partner by allowing their enemy to impale them on their lightsaber blade. However, Nejaa (or whomever I'm thinking of) grabbed hold of their enemy's hands, and drove the blade through himself up to the hilt. He opened himself fully to the Force, and used Absorb/Dissipate to suck all the energy from his enemy's lightsaber. Once that was done, iirc his final act was to channel all that energy into a fist made of pure Force, with which he crushed his enemy.
I know there are a lot of 'ifs' and incomplete recollections in there, but the whos don't matter so much as the other details. I've not seen an example of this where the person didn't die, but they did have the opportunity to make a final, decisive strike utilizing that converted Force energy. |
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| garhkal wrote: | | That was a specific alteration to the power possessed by the Halycon bloodline. Not all force users. |
What is your reference for that? The novel implied that the Halcyons were much better at it (along with Affect Mind) than other Jedi, but at the price of almost no affinity for Telekinetic powers. Luke even stated that this is what Vader used against Han in the dining room on Cloud City.
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Jedi Skyler
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| crmcneill wrote: | | What is your reference for that? The novel implied that the Halcyons were much better at it (along with Affect Mind) than other Jedi, but at the price of almost no affinity for Telekinetic powers. |
That makes me more certain that it was, in fact, Neejaa Halcyon who was listed in the example I gave. The Halcyon family is notoriously poor with Telekinesis, but are very powerful with Affect Mind. When Neejaa absorbed the energy from the lightsaber, he finally had enough power to unleash a very powerful telekinetic attack that helped him defeat his enemy. |
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You're correct. I, Jedi was one of my favorite novels in the EU, even if it beat something of its own path with regards to how the Force worked.
My take on the Halcyon bloodline was that a Halcyon receives a -10 Difficulty on all rolls for Absorb/Dissipate Energy (modified to include converting absorbed energy into potential Force energy), Affect Mind and any related Telepathy powers. However, they were completely unable to use Telekinesis or any related powers unless they spent a Force Point or used Energy points from Absorb/Dissipate as Alter dice.
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Jedi Skyler
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I also loved how, in I, Jedi, Corran waves his hand and tells a stormtrooper that 'You don't need to see my identification...' and the trooper says, "What?!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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LOL. Right Jedi, wrong novel. That scene was in The Bacta War
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Jedi Skyler
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Dammit.
It HAS been a while since I've read all those, and I, Jedi is the only one of them I've re-read several times.
Still, HUGELY funny. |
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Yeah, that was a good one. To be honest, the ones that tended to make experience true, gut busting laughter were the Wraith Squadron trilogy. Aaron Alston really knew how to bring out the best in those nut jobs.
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