2nd Edition REUP is ready for Download!

[klhaviation]

REUP can be downloaded at The D6 Holocron on the Download - G+ Community page.

[Luwingo_Spince]

Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations!

Look forward to seeing it.

[DougRed4]

Congratulations, klhaviation. It must be nice to have finally finished such a huge project! 8)
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[jmanski]

Can you put a link to the site here when it's ready?
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[klhaviation]

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[cheshire]

Wow. I just went through and saw how many of my conversions were used -- most of them directly from the text Gry and I had assembled. I'm really pleased that you thought enough of my conversion work to include it in the REUP. It even looks like a couple of my fan-made Force powers made it into the text unaltered.

Given that this is an attempt at "the new official document," it is really in many ways validating to see my work utilized in such a way.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[klhaviation]

Some starships were altered, I believe the Banking clan frigate, Slave I, and a few others. A few aliens were tweaked, and the Equipment & weapons were re priced a bit here and there, but it is largely as you created them. I don't recall any "fan made" Force powers, I think they are mostly WEG, except for the Jumping and a few others, but I guess those count.

It was a huge help having those books to use the stat blocks. The flavor text altered some of the stats, but it saved months on the project. A testament to how having such a prolific community moves these projects along.

I am not sure if this document will ever be considered anywhere near "official" but if it was, your and Grys stats definitely deserve to be there. Really this project was more of an anthology of the best of the best of WEG and D6 work over the years.

[cheshire]

I noticed a few changes here and there to a couple of them. Gry did most of the starship conversions, so I didn't look much at that. I noticed a few droid equipment conversions that were pretty much a copy and paste.

I just skimmed the Force powers. I saw that you had "up the walls" which is one that I converted from the Hero's Guide from the RCR edition of the d20 game. I had a fan made power of "Greater Force Shield" that appears to have made it. Though I'm not sure how much of the mechanics still carry over. I haven't had time to read through that section completely. The Greater Force Shield was a real big deal when we were kicking it around in the community. I think that was back in 2006 when we were trying to incorporate some of the less overpowered ideas in the EU to work in contemporary D6 games.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[klhaviation]

To be honest "The Force" chapter was mostly the work of another guy on the team, so I haven't looked at the copy in about 4 months. I recall there was a draft that eliminated all of the "fan made" force powers, but we decided a few should be included to represent the abilities of jedi/Force users in the EU, Prequel, and Clone Wars.

You will notice 2 sources are quite often used to help develop this doc. First and foremost, Cheshire & Grys stat books. Why reinvent the wheel. We really didn't have the manpower to run our own conversions completely, so we used their work as a baseline, most of the time we liked it as was. Sometimes things were tweaked as later material became available from the Clone Wars show.

The second source was Saga Edition. A lot of copy and stat block modification came from here. Again, why reinvent the wheel. We are not trying to make our own flavor or trying to reinvent the entire genre here, we are trying to bring D6SW into the 21st century, and most of the work has been done in the WoTC editions, Saga being the latest (and best).

So you will find a lot of copy/paste stuff from those sources, but hopefully edited and crafted in such a way to better the core rules.

And if we missed some critical update to the statblocks let us know. There was sooooooo much info we have been juggling to get this thing done, a lot may have gotten messed up in the process.

[Forceally]

Since I helped beta NarCranor's Clone Wars Sourcebook project when it was up and running, and since I helped Gry and Cheshire with their conversions by indicating what had already been stated in d6, I'm going to download, look through it, compile an errata file, and PM it to you when it's done.

[cheshire]

I don't think there has been a "critical update" to any of them. There were some creative differences on a few areas of the project, and so you may find Gry and I referencing some things differently in our own games, but those creative differences were never so stark that it held up a project.

There are some things I learned later in the project that may have influenced the way I did things earlier, but never more than a pip or two, and I think I were doing things all over again I may have phrased some of the mechanics differently. But all things considered, I don't think we would go back and revise things just for the sake of a pip or two here and there. In fact, about two weeks before the last conversion book came out someone presented a mathematical formula that arguably gave a better and more consistent conversion rate. They asked if we were going to go back and re-do all the books. After running a few of their calculations it really was within a pip or two. So, the answer was no.

All in all, you've used them for the purposes they were intended. That is, "Here's a framework. If you don't like it, then change it. We're glad our work made it easy for you to come up with something you were happy with." You saw our work, you decided you could tweak things to make it more like you wanted it, and you did. Great! It makes me feel like I have a legacy.

Also, Gry's name gets mentioned a lot (because he and I did most of the converting), but also we need to give due recognition to Forceally for all the research assistance that made the books possible.

(EDIT: speak of the devil, he just so happened to post while I was writing my post. Good to see you again!)
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[klhaviation]

Well we really could not have done it without all of your work. And if the stat blocks you wrote, or the ones we "tweaked" do not meet to people's approval, we will note it and possibly change it. The only places we saw a bit of an anomaly is in some of the Clone War era starships, a few were very powerful, and a few have been trumped by later sources (mostly in the "cannon description" of weapons).

One thing I realized very quickly after starting this project was the massive scope. We had a ridiculous amount of material at our fingertips, most WEG stuff and some fan stuff. Not only did we have to use Optical Character Recognition software to pull text from various sources, we had to edit it, hand type a lot of it, and then decide what warranted to be entered into the document.

That was a task probably taken too lightly in the beginning. We realized that we probably added too much "fan" stuff that was over/under powered, and we were developing a collection of house rules, instead of an edition.

I can tell you this, I will support REUP in the years to come with errata and omitting/adding a few bits here and there, BUT I will NEVER start a "new" edition again. It simply too intense a process. You have to walk a very careful line, a line that is always debated by the fans. To that end we tried to use only WEG rules to keep everything as "official" as we could. But of course in some areas (like the prequel stuff) we had to use some new stuff.

I can say that without the support of many fan authors, this book would never have been made.

Of course, I have mentioned Gry and cheshire for all of their stat books and saga conversions, which have become a staple for all SWD6 fans to run any EU or Prequel campaign.

Mod Sithson, George Aranda, Stewart Warley for their work on the Dark Side GG, some of which was included in the Dark Side Rules

The Star Wars D6 Google+ community

Guardian A for his NPC sourcebook work, some of which inspired the new Clone Wars GM characters.

Sam Coulson who compiled the Holocron Holo.txt back in the late 90's. A work that while a bit whacky here and there, has inspired my gaming group, the REUP team and others to make all this stuff.


And please offer any criticism, we will be updating this doc at some point in the far future.

[Whill]

[wildfire]

Very good work have only skimmed it but I like it.

Need to check for credits but where did you find most of the artwork, some I recognise but the rest very nice.

[atgxtg]