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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14173 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject: FP for cp trade in |
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I know in the 2e base (blue cover) book, page 54, it specifies that for non force sensitive characters, since they can only bank roll up to 5 force points, any extra that they earn, must be cashed in for CP (3cp per force point). BUT in the 2e R&E book, i don't see anything mentioned on it, just the same "non force sensitives cap out at 5 force points". . No mention of whether they cash them in.
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
Joined: 14 Apr 2012 Posts: 481 Location: PA
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I would, in theory- if my players ever expended FP at a rate necessary to warrant it. My only reservation is that three CP seems a pretty paltry trade-in for an entire FP. (I mean, that's improving nothing higher than 3D+2 a single pip, or 'doubling' a roll of no more than 3D for a single action, where a FP could double much higher rolls for all actions and would seem to be far more valuable) To me, it would warrant at least 5, if not more, to avoid ripping a player off. To do something heroic enough to earn a new FP and then getting three measly CP for it... seems like a little bit of a rip-off.
So, I'd use it, but probably with a slightly higher exchange-rate. _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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DougRed4 Rear Admiral
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 2272 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I would think it should be higher than 3 CP as well. Even 5 strikes me as a little bit light. Perhaps 7, or even 10. _________________ Currently Running: Villains & Vigilantes (a 32-year-old campaign with multiple groups) and D6 Star Wars; mostly on hiatus are Adventures in Middle-earth and Delta Green |
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Leon The Lion Commander
Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 309 Location: Somewhere in Poland
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I would probably just ignore the max FP limitation (but than, it's quite hard to earn new FP with me).
But if I had to include trading FP in, I'd definitely go with closer to 10 CP than 3. _________________ Plagiarize! Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes! So don't shade your eyes,
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize... Only be sure to call it, please, "research".
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah- 5 at min., but I could get behind 7 or 10 easily. _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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Lane Arroway Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 02 Feb 2013 Posts: 153 Location: Taris, Outer Rim
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't know. We are talking about points that can be used to increase skills permenantly in exchange for a FP that offer a temporary doubling of the dice pool. It sounds like a small amount but I think 5 is a fair amount. According to the Gamemaster Handbook 1 FP is equal to 5 CPs when calculating power level.
Of course, I'll have to see what happens if or when any of my non-force sensitive pcs earn a 6th FP. _________________ "This job is 90% talking to people and 10% shooting at them." |
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:49 am Post subject: |
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At the same time, it is a doubling of the pool for all rolls in a turn which is sometimes necessary for a crucial moment and also a renewable resource that can self-perpetuate. Seems to me that as a do-or-die, potentially-save-your-life kind of thing, it has some higher value than the RAW give it. To me, 5 at least is valuable because that's closer to the number of extra dice you might be able to use in a crucial task when using a FP. And in many ways- unless squandered- a FP is a permanent fixture of the character in much the same way that an improved skill is, so an equivalent number of CP (like 5, which after all can't improve any skills to a huge degree) is not uncalled for.
Above all, it seems to me that a FP is much harder to earn and rarer than 3/5/7/10 CP, and fair reward for not giving the player an earned FP means more than just a stock RAW 3 (or possibly even 5); I don't think that takes into account the function it could have in gameplay or the effort/precision required to earn it.
At least it seems like we can all come to a semi-agreement on 5. _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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Random_Axe Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 11 Sep 2013 Posts: 102 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I've always felt that a 3-for-1 tradeoff for unusable FPs was exceptionally wimpy. It became an issue in my last campaign because one of the PC's was non-FS. So (because my favorite number is normally 5) I went with a 5-for-1 rate. |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14173 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Did you see that giving him a larger # of Cps to spend, or did he not really come up with a lot of excess FP needing to get turned in? _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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