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CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 16320 Location: Redding System, California Sector, on the I-5 Hyperspace Route.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: Awarding CPs |
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The RAW states that characters should be awarded between 4 and 15 CPs, depending on a variety of factors. I'm curious how many of you adhere to that rule (or use your own method) and why (or why not). Thoughts? _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
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Fallon Kell Commodore
Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 1846 Location: Tacoma, WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: |
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I stick towards the high half of that. I also tend to have very long adventures, and I might award FP and CP at the midpoint if I feel it's necessary. _________________ Or that excessively long "Noooooooooo" was the Whining Side of the Force leaving him. - Dustflier
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Guardian_A Commodore
Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 1654 Location: South Dakota, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Our group has used our own way of distributing CPs as long as I can remember.
While we still give out CPs, we turn it into an intereactive experience. With a little Q&A at the end of the game, it gives everyone a chance to share their thoughts on the game, and often gives the GM some valuable feedback on how things went. Recently, it seems like the players are earning 8-9 CPs a game.
Character Point Awards:
1-5 Automatic
1 Favorate Part of the Game
1 Least Favorate Part of the Game
1 Character Learned something of Value
1 Player learned something of Value
1 Roleplaying
1 Poweful Enemy Defeated
1 Using a Skill or Special Abiity in a New Way
1 Accomplished a Character Goal
1 Characters Worked well Together
1 Futhered the Story in some Significant Way
1 MVP?
+5 Finished a Story
-No award can be given more than once per player/character.
-I usually roll a die to see where I start, then rotate the starting person with each new queston.
Automatic:
I always give at least one point for this. If we get to game longer than usual and/or everyone has a lot of fun, I will sometimes award additional points.
Favorate Part of the Game:
Each player tells their favorate part of the game. It can be anything either in or out of character. But everyone has to choose a different "Favorate." (Usually people choose somethig cool that either their character did, or something that happened to their character during the game.)
Least Favorate Part of the Game:
Each player tells their least favorate part of the game. It can be anthing either in or out of character. But everyone has to choose a different "Least Favorate." (This usually ends up being either somethig bad that happened to one of the characters, or a rules issue that interupted the game.)
Character Learned
Something that the character learned that could prove useful in the future.
Player Learned:
Something that the the player learned that could prove useful in the future. (This often involves a rules question)
Roleplaying:
The player did a good job of staying in character during play, and their character didnt do anything that seemed out of place during the game.
Powerful Enemy Defeated:
Characte(s) defeated an enemy that is more powerful than he/she/they are. (This is often given to everyone or no one depending on the challenges they face.)
Using A Skill or Special Ability in a new way:
Sometimes a player will do something neat with a skill or special ability in a way not depicted in the book. (Exmples: Using Blaster to identify a rare blaster instead of shooting one, or using Force Lightning to "Jumpstart" something instead of just frying someone.) This particular point encourages players to think outside the box. This ONLY applies to the first time a character in the group pulls the trick.
Accoplished a Caracter Goal:
Every chracter has things that drive them. These should never be simple things that are easy to achieve. Examples: Finding a lost family member, exacting revenge for some major slight in the chaacter's past. Finally paying off that expensive ship they've been flying around the galaxy. Etc.
Worked Well Together:
The characers worked as a unit, taking advantage of each other's strengths during a situation. (This is either given to everyone or no one.)
Furthered the Story in a Significant Way:
This is usually given when the characters do something significant that is story related. It may be that the finally found the item/person they were looking for, or they fially took that lead you had been dangling in front of them.
MVP:
On the count of three, all players point at the person who they think deseves a little extra recognition for their contrbutions during the game. Once he count is made, each player explains why they chose the person they did. If there is a tie, then the GM acts as a tie breaker.
Finishing a Story:
Any time the group finishes a story arc, all of the characers gain this award. I tend to start at 5CPs for this award, then add additional CPs depending on the length and depth of the story arc.
PS: Keyboard is acting funny, so if there is a random missing letter or space, thats the reason. I think I caught most of the typos, but I may have missed a few.) |
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Crimson_red Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 14 Dec 2011 Posts: 113 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've taken a note from White Wolf and the storytelling system. I typically reward between 1-5 CP per game session, then follow up the adventure with a 4-15 CP reward. I found this encourages the use of CP for enhancing rolls throughout the game as characters are less likely to run out of CP for an extended period of time.
I also give additional awards CP, FP, etc. during play for good, entertaining, etc role-playing, thinking, twists, etc.
Admittedly, I also like faster character development, especially since most of my games don't last longer than 2-4 adventure trilogies (6-12 adventures)... My last big Campaign was a six part story detailing the rise of a planetary resistance against the Empire, and I ran it over the course of a 4 month summer session, 2-3 sessions a week.
EDIT: I still only allow players to spend CP on self-improvement after each adventure, unless there is a significant interlude of some kind, so in the example above, they only had 4 opportunities for improvement, 5 if you include after the sixth adventure. In that case I might have relaxed the 1 pip restriction realizing the PC's limited opportunity to improve, but I can't recall.
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Blue Glowie Ensign
Joined: 01 Mar 2011 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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My current campaign has ramped up from 8 to 20 CP's per session over the course of 60+ sessions. On one hand, I think my players would have lost interest if it hadn't been gradually increasing, because they wouldn't be reliably increasing skills every adventure.
But there comes a time with this game where dice pools become bloated. I think the highest combat skill in the party is 8D, but I feel like that's about the cutoff limit for when things get weird. So the campaign is probably going to end in 6-8 adventures. |
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Guardian_A Commodore
Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 1654 Location: South Dakota, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Crimson_red wrote: | I've taken a note from White Wolf and the storytelling system. |
Thats where our CP system originated as well. It started out as the same set of questions as WW, then we added and modified the list as time went on until we ended up with what we currently have. |
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Crimson_red Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 14 Dec 2011 Posts: 113 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Guardian_A wrote: |
Thats where our CP system originated as well. It started out as the same set of questions as WW, then we added and modified the list as time went on until we ended up with what we currently have. |
Yeah, we like WW's approach to experience rewards a lot, though we seem to have taken it in the opposite direction to your group. Though our CP rewards remain high, we've actually reduced the number of questions. We now have two basic questions: How or have your goals/motives changed? and What are your plans for next session? (I never thought to ask the second, one of my players did it with one of her games... it made a significant difference in her approach to planning new sessions) Neither really attached to the CP rewards themselves.
No doubt, this is partly due to laziness by me and others, but more significantly on the fact we tend to run our game half an hour past our planned closing time, and in the hour or so of chatting that follows the session, it seems we are all far more interested in sharing our most salient thoughts and feelings about that night's events.
In short, I think we push things so late that we're in a hurry to get as much out as we can - almost every one of the common questions, and even more, are often answered in the deluge of post-session conversation.
We tried doing the question approach numerous times, but it almost always seemed to be drowned out in said conversation, hence limiting them to questions that help the GM plan the next session instead.
That said, I'd love to see a group answer CP/EXP awarding questions successfully, I think it would be a great experience. |
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Guardian_A Commodore
Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 1654 Location: South Dakota, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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At the end of each session, we have our "Experience" summary (Regadless of game system. WW & Star Wars is purely Q&A, D20 and others have traditional XP, with the Q&A ammounting to a small XP reward for each question based on their character level.) The Experience summary is treated as an extension of the game itself, with a group BS session commonly taking place afterward. (Anywhere from 15 miutes to 2 hours depending on the day.) Our Q&A usually runs about 10 minutes.
Our Q&A tends to result in a lot of good feedback for the GM and serves to focus the conversation a little bit as the game winds down.
Early in a campaign, XP/CP rewards tend to be a bit higher. As time goes on, it becomes harder to answer many of the questions, making the plyers work a little harder for it.
I like your "What are your plans for next session?" question. I might add "What is your character's immediate goals?" to our group's Q&A. |
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DougRed4 Rear Admiral
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 2286 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I stick with the recommendations I've seen elsewhere, though I don't recall where I got them (it's kind of surprising that there isn't any suggestions in the rules).
I've changed some of the standard terminology. What some of the published adventures call "Episodes" I call "Chapters" (since each large storyarc of movie length I call an "Episode").
3-15 Character Points per Adventure (what I call "Parts")
The average Adventure spans two nights of gaming, or 4 to 5 fairly long Chapters
How did the players/characters do? (Well: 6-8, Poorly: 3-4)
• Solved puzzles
• Came up with great solutions
• Made sure everyone had fun
How did each individual player do? (2-3)
• Very clever
• Went out of their way to make the game fun
Did they cooperate? (2-4)
• Worked well as a team
• 0 if the players argued
Did they play in character? (Well: 6-8, Poorly: 3-4)
• Roleplayed well
• 0 if they didn’t roleplay at all
Did everyone have fun? (3-4)
• All? (including the GM?)
• 0 if difficult or not trying to get into the spirit of things
If you add these up you'll see that you can quite easily get to 15 CP, so that's about what my PCs will get after a couple of sessions. |
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
Joined: 14 Apr 2012 Posts: 481 Location: PA
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Typically, I don't finish an adventure in one night (sessions which go from about 9 pm to 1-3 am, depending on everyone's wakefullness, and generally making only the first hour or two really sharp, intelligent roleplaying ) , so I tend to go 'by session.' I tend to be fairly CP-generous, because my players spend them like crazy on rolls they don't realize aren't going to be that hard, or important. Typically, I will actually hold 'nominations' at the end of each chapter or session, in which players can nominate each other to receive points for noteworthy actions, choices, quips, or moments. This doesn't always balance out, as some players stand out and take risks while others don't, and some are shameless self-promoters while others are quite humble and thus don't receive nearly as much- but as long as I step in and try to fill in for those that get 'left behind,' it seems to work really well.
Points for the end of the adventure tend to fall on the high side of the scale, but only come every 2-3 sessions, and typically pale compared to the number spent.
Additionally, I have instituted a 2-5 point 'bonus' at the end of the evening if all players had a good/smooth time, to try and minimize debates or arguments. I would award additional roleplaying points, but few of my players seem very interested in actual character work- just in beating the puzzles and collecting rewards, video-game-RPG-style. _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14215 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Then start handing out the RP awards to those who Do bother to rp.. when the rest see them getting more CP than the rest they will change (hopefully). _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I do try- but they are few and far between. So far, no one's gotten the hint. But I live in hope... _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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DougRed4 Rear Admiral
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 2286 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta agree with garhkal here. Perhaps a little speech is in order, and it might even take a session of "Well, here's a half dozen CPs that are not going to be allocated, since nobody decided to really role-play and get into character!"
I'd bet good money that doing something like that would motivate some changes. It's extremely rare for me to have any player not play outstanding, and the exceptions don't ever happen in my Star Wars game, where everybody really embraces the setting and gets into it. _________________ Currently Running: Villains & Vigilantes (a 32-year-old campaign with multiple groups) and D6 Star Wars; mostly on hiatus are Adventures in Middle-earth and Delta Green |
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cheshire Arbiter-General (Moderator)
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I often give a baseline of 10 for a good session with a few other factors that may add to that. If the players REALLY capture the cinematic style with some "appropriately over the top" solutions and heroic choices, then they'll have 12-15. Sometimes if I see that EVERYONE is having to burn massive CPs to make it through an adventure, I'll help them recoup their losses, but mostly because I figure if I've made things difficult enough that everyone has to spend that many, then I've probably made things a little more difficult than I ought to have. It goes without saying, though, if they've made poor choices and have decided to make things harder for themselves, I'm not going to help recoup for that. If they decide to needlessly antagonize an Imperial garrison and now have to spend all their FPs and CPs just to make it out alive... that's on them. _________________ __________________________________
Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind. |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14215 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Wow 10-15cp a session?? That's high. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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