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garhkal
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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Ok, we all know those times durig a firefight where the pcs are dropping to pop a med pack on their fallen comrades. Would it be evil of the npcs to actually try to prevent that by shooting the medics?
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That depends on what you consider to be evil in the first place.
Most of the folks I know consider shooting anyone at all to be evil but make an exception for armed combatants who are shooting back at them. If the medic is unarmed then I could see it being considered evil.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Ok, we all know those times durig a firefight where the pcs are dropping to pop a med pack on their fallen comrades. Would it be evil of the npcs to actually try to prevent that by shooting the medics? |
This actually came up in a recent gaming session for our group. While everyone at the table understood that the bad guys were "evil," their willingness to attack a medical facility (To prevent the characters from getting the help they needed) still got quite a reaction from the characters.
How I see it, if anyone is willing to attack non-combatants and/or medics when it is not entirely neccessary, it would be considered an "evil" act. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| Guardian_A wrote: | | Would it be evil of the npcs to actually try to prevent that by shooting the medics? |
Shooting at noncombatants is generally considered DSP worthy i.e. evil in Star Wars. So shooting at medics who aren't shooting at you and who are clearly distinguished by uniform or markings as noncombatants would be DSP worthy, i.e. evil. Why you choose to shoot at noncombatants is kind of irrelevant to the question of whether it is evil.
I'm curious, for the military and ex-military what is US military (or other country's military) doctrine on shooting at medics or medical facilities during war time? |
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Kaloth Varsk
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| Bren wrote: | | Guardian_A wrote: | | Would it be evil of the npcs to actually try to prevent that by shooting the medics? |
Shooting at noncombatants is generally considered DSP worthy i.e. evil in Star Wars. So shooting at medics who aren't shooting at you and who are clearly distinguished by uniform or markings as noncombatants would be DSP worthy, i.e. evil. Why you choose to shoot at noncombatants is kind of irrelevant to the question of whether it is evil.
I'm curious, for the military and ex-military what is US military (or other country's military) doctrine on shooting at medics or medical facilities during war time? |
It's always been bad form to shoot at medics. It's why medics unarmed and where a bright red cross to distinguish them. It's very old military tradition to leave them alone. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| Bren wrote: | | Guardian_A wrote: | | Would it be evil of the npcs to actually try to prevent that by shooting the medics? |
Shooting at noncombatants is generally considered DSP worthy i.e. evil in Star Wars. So shooting at medics who aren't shooting at you and who are clearly distinguished by uniform or markings as noncombatants would be DSP worthy, i.e. evil. Why you choose to shoot at noncombatants is kind of irrelevant to the question of whether it is evil.
I'm curious, for the military and ex-military what is US military (or other country's military) doctrine on shooting at medics or medical facilities during war time? |
Problem is that often the 'medic' will start shooting at the enemy right after 'dropping' the medpac..
Is shooting non combatants really DSP worthy if you are not force sensitive?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | Is shooting non combatants really DSP worthy if you are not force sensitive? |
Well, the official rules states that a non-FS PC can gain a DSP only if he uses a FP while commiting an evil action.
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Yeah, I think there are two questions on the table. The first would involve a character that is solely a medic, and that they have no function other than to provide medical care or evac. Yeah, I think that's evil to shoot the medics. It's wrong to bomb a hospital, and I'd award a DSP (call it a houserule if you'd like).
Shooting a combatant that's providing a one-use medipack on a comrade... that's a little different. If it's a combatant patching up a combatant then they're probably both going to start shooting sometime soon. I think there's a big difference between targeting someone who has no use other than to heal and targeting someone who just so happens to be giving a field patch-up job to someone.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| Darth TUX wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | Is shooting non combatants really DSP worthy if you are not force sensitive? |
Well, the official rules states that a non-FS PC can gain a DSP only if he uses a FP while commiting an evil action. |
Even though I have 'awarded' non FS characters with DSPs, its usually for something worse than shooting a single being (even though defenceless).
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Like bombing a hospital?
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Another thing to consider is whether the medic is stabilizing the dying or patching up the injured to return them to the fight...
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If the injured person is going to return to the fight, then the injured is the threat, and not the medic.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: |
Problem is that often the 'medic' will start shooting at the enemy right after 'dropping' the medpac..
Is shooting non combatants really DSP worthy if you are not force sensitive? |
True, IRL a medic is prohibited from shooting except to save his own life or that of his patient. In SW, since any template / character can be a medic there is no clear cut delineation. Heck, i have had one home game where the pc who was medicing 2 fallen comrades (force pointed since doing 2 at the same time halved his dice pool) once they were stabilized got back up shooting with his light repeater. Another one at a con, had the wookie drop to medic a comrade WHILE still firing his bowcaster one handed (the guy was MW, so he was just trying to stabilize him)..
| Quote: | | Even though I have 'awarded' non FS characters with DSPs, its usually for something worse than shooting a single being (even though defenceless). |
Yup. Slitting the throat of one captured imp who was in binders, to 'convince the other 3' to talk was one of them i handed a DSP out for.
| Quote: | | If the injured person is going to return to the fight, then the injured is the threat, and not the medic. |
I'd say both would be.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | Is shooting non combatants really DSP worthy if you are not force sensitive? |
Kind of depends. Shooting a room full of preschoolers at point blank range. Yeah I'd probably give out a DSP for that.
Shooting a couple of noncombatants - even preschoolers - by accident - No DSP.
Shooting a spouse or child to make the survivor talk - maybe a DSP, but probably a DSPip.
Torturing the spouse or child to death as above - probably a DSP and definitely a DSPip.
Mostly I see DSPs for nonforce sensitives as a way of characterizing and keeping score of how evil they are on a scale of 0-7. (More or less a Lichert scale.) Where 7 is a vicious serial killer or Hitler or some such. It's not usually worth getting too worked up about the exact numbers. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be evil of npcs to shoot medics? |
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| Kaloth Varsk wrote: | | It's always been bad form to shoot at medics. It's why medics unarmed and where a bright red cross to distinguish them. It's very old military tradition to leave them alone. |
I assume it's bad form, but I am curious about actual policy.
Also Dr. Watson was a doctor in Afganistan (both in the original Doyle stories and in the reimagined TV show) and he carried a gun while there. So I don't know how universal or official the unarmed medic is - it's part of what I am asking really. |
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