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Henrik.Balslev
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I know there are rules for modifying space tansports in SWGG6: Tramp Freighters, and I remember it saying that starfighter modification would be covered in another book, so can anyone point me in the right direction?
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Bren
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Modifying Starfighters? |
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| Henrik.Balslev wrote: | | I know there are rules for modifying space tansports in SWGG6: Tramp Freighters, and I remember it saying that starfighter modification would be covered in another book, so can anyone point me in the right direction? |
I don't believe WEG ever published any SF specific modification rules. There were some standard add ons for fighters e.g. hyperdrive sleds, booster rings, and nav computers in Gry Sarth's D6 conversion of SAGA's Starships of the Galaxy. I presume you could also use the mod rules in GG6 for starfighters.
In the Rebellion period, I don't think Imperials modify their SFs (with rare exceptions like Vader's TIE Advanced prototype) and I assume the Rebel techs are too busy trying to keep what fighters they have flying to have time to customize or improve them. But I could see independents having the time and the money. |
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In the modification chapter of Tramp Freighters, WEG was specific that these rules were for modifying space transports only, and that a future supplement would deal with modification of starfighters. That pretty much just leaves the upgrade rules in the 2R&E Rulebook.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | In the modification chapter of Tramp Freighters, WEG was specific that these rules were for modifying space transports only, and that a future supplement would deal with modification of starfighters. That pretty much just leaves the upgrade rules in the 2R&E Rulebook. |
My recollection is the rulebook was a bit thin on details. I think by combining the 2R&E rules, GG9, and the supplemental SF equipment in the D6 conversion it should be reasonable to manage something.
Personally I like players to "earn" their ship mods in play via a combination of aquiring the necessary parts and literal sweat equity of doing (or overseeing) the mods themselves. Given the lives of most SF pilots, I'm not sure when they have time to hire out, oversee, or perform the modifications or to keep their ship in the shop. |
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Henrik.Balslev
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hm well I guess it was a dead end then  I was thinking about creating an old experienced fighterpilot - as in his callsign could be "pops" old  - flying an outdated starfighter, like the cloakshape, and always complaining about the younguns' beeing too rash, and that the newer ships dont have the craftsmanship of the fighters of his age He would ofcourse have souped it up a bit, to make it able to hold its own against the newer starfighters.
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| Henrik.Balslev wrote: | | hm well I guess it was a dead end then I was thinking about creating an old experienced fighterpilot - as in his callsign could be "pops" old - flying an outdated starfighter, like the cloakshape, and always complaining about the younguns' beeing too rash, and that the newer ships dont have the craftsmanship of the fighters of his age He would ofcourse have souped it up a bit, to make it able to hold its own against the newer starfighters. |
Ahh...now that idea I like. And a fully souped up Cloak Shape has a better maneuver bonus than an X-wing. You really only need the hyperdrive and the speed to keep up with whatever other vessel(s) the PCs have.
In our campaign, Jammer squadron were Rebels from Kidron that flew Cloak Shapes ships because that's what they were able to acquire on the black market. The squadron commander was a Wroonian Mercenary that switched to the Rebellion after being captured by some PCs. The Rebels added a hyperdrive sled for jump and a maneuvering foil (looks like a spoiler) that significantly adds to the manuevering. They were slow (speed 6) so they mostly were used to protect the capital ships in their fleet since they way outmaneuvered the standard Imperial TIEs.
Or take a look at the Whitecloak fighter in Gry Sarth's Starships Stats (Censored) book and use that as a base. |
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One thing about the RPG is that ship maneuverability isn't really a limiting factor. Since it adds to skill, high skill ofsets any edge in maneuverability. For the most part it doesn't matter if you have 8D skill and 0D Maneuverability or 4D skill and 4D maneuverability.
So a old, veteran with a high skill can keep up with the young guns, in terms of maneuverability.
Now, if really shouldn't work that way, but it does. |
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While some add ons are easy/mods such as replacing the hyperdrive with a slightly newer on.
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| atgxtg wrote: | So a old, veteran with a high skill can keep up with the young guns, in terms of maneuverability.
Now, if really shouldn't work that way, but it does. |
Don't see why not. It kinda goes with the factor of "He did WHAT? In a WHAT?!?" Han pulling off manoeuvres in the Falcon that are causing TIE pilots difficulty is a prime example; he managed some spectacular moves that pilots in faster, more nimble craft couldn't dream of.
That seems to be the idea being worked with here. It's a good idea and it has precedent in the setting (and to some extent, general physics).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Modifying Starfighters? |
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| Bren wrote: | | I don't believe WEG ever published any SF specific modification rules. There were some standard add ons for fighters e.g. hyperdrive sleds, booster rings, and nav computers in Gry Sarth's D6 conversion of SAGA's Starships of the Galaxy. . |
Yeah, the rules were extrapolated from some formulae intended for d20 ships. Theoretically anything in the book could be used for starfighters with some cost changes, but we didn't go that route wholesale. There were a few things that it seemed necessary to do for starfighters, and I bent a lot of the formulae to make it seem reasonable for starfighters. In the end, I was never 100% sure, but it passed some scrutiny by a few other long-time players. In the end I felt good enough about putting out what we had done in there.
I'd love to come up with a separate set of starfighter equipment and modification mechanics just like they had planned to do in the waning days of WEG (and who knows... they might have been in the works in the fated X-Wing book).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Modifying Starfighters? |
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| cheshire wrote: | | I'd love to come up with a separate set of starfighter equipment and modification mechanics just like they had planned to do in the waning days of WEG (and who knows... they might have been in the works in the fated X-Wing book). |
There is a list in one of the WEG books of some specific mods for the Cloakshape. It's one I have back in the USA and just don't recall which book it's in. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Modifying Starfighters? |
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| Bren wrote: | | There is a list in one of the WEG books of some specific mods for the Cloakshape. It's one I have back in the USA and just don't recall which book it's in. |
I know for a fact its in the Dark Empire Sourcebook
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Henrik.Balslev
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Modifying Starfighters? |
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| cheshire wrote: | | I'd love to come up with a separate set of starfighter equipment and modification mechanics just like they had planned to do in the waning days of WEG (and who knows... they might have been in the works in the fated X-Wing book). |
I'd be up for helping with something - I was never very good at the mechanics of stuff, but I'm very good at getting ideas
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| Ankhanu wrote: |
Don't see why not. It kinda goes with the factor of "He did WHAT? In a WHAT?!?" Han pulling off manoeuvres in the Falcon that are causing TIE pilots difficulty is a prime example; he managed some spectacular moves that pilots in faster, more nimble craft couldn't dream of. |
Han didn't do anything thing that the TIE fighters couldN7t pull off. Just stiff thsat thoe pilots had trouble with. If you look at the chases, the TIE are doing as much turning, and rolling as the Falcon.
The thing I don't like about it all being the same, is that it allows anything to turn on a dime, even a Star Destroyer. There is no reason in game why Captail scale ships can do rolls and sharp turns like the fighters.
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That seems to be the idea being worked with here. It's a good idea and it has precedent in the setting (and to some extent, general physics). |
Don't bing general physics into this. it is out of it's element! General physics-wise the ships would not maneuver as if they were in an atmosphere to begin with, and the performance ratings would be a matter of thrust to mass ratios, speed and g tolerances. The skill o the pilot would not make a ship turn or roll faster. Now if maneuverability were affected by speed, I'd have not problem with a Speed 5 freighter out turning a speed 10 fighter, but Star Wars has never been about real world physics. |
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| atgxtg wrote: | | ...but Star Wars has never been about real world physics. |
 but...but...but, there's cool ships that go swoosh and...and...blasters...and... |
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