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garhkal
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: Let's go BOOM, my robots!! |
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In many sci-fi shows, one of the favored tactics it seems some baddies love using with drone robots, is having some go kaboom once killed/defeated.
So what would the self destruct of some of our common droids out there, do for damage/blast radius?
Like the common battle droid (clone wars)?
Super battle droid.
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battle droid, 2 meter blast radius, damage 2D
Super battle droid, 3 meter blast radius, damage 3D
Droideka, 5 meter blast radius, damage 4D |
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ZzaphodD
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I assume mounting it with a thermal detonator might do the trick.
In an earlier campaign one of my characters rebuilt a cargo droid into a combat droid. It was basically a 2,3m version of the B1-series worker droid.
Add armour, an e-web, a rocketlauncher, electrified hull and some assassin droid combat programming and you get the picture. It was called 3V1L-3d. For some reason I installed a Thermal Detonator as a self destruction mechanism. The logic of that escapes me now.
The only problem with the droid, was that hidden within the assassin droid combat programming was the assassin droid peronality program, which when downloaded into my new droid-brain started to take hold over my tank-droid. This didnt become evident until we (well, I wasnt aboard) needed the droids power source and needed to shut down the droid. The assassin droid didnt agree to this, violently. Unfortunately the droid was inside our ships cargo bay, resulting in quite some damage to the ship both from the fight, and from the thermal detonator... 
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If the self destruct is just an overloading of the robot's power supply then the damage should probably be something like (Strength + Amour Rating) and the radius should be (Strength - Amour Rating) in metres.
Unless the droid is designed to explode then the damage and radius should be based on the explosives used and a sufficiently andvanced scan might reveal the possibility of making a called shot to the explosives.
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garhkal
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| Grimace wrote: | battle droid, 2 meter blast radius, damage 2D
Super battle droid, 3 meter blast radius, damage 3D
Droideka, 5 meter blast radius, damage 4D |
That's kinda low, since their power core should be able to handle all the power out for their weaponry, + regualr day to day functioning..
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| They're not designed as a weapon themselves, so it's lower. The BOOM aspect is an add on. Watch Empire Strikes Back...the probot had about a 3 meter blast radius. |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Grimace wrote: | battle droid, 2 meter blast radius, damage 2D
Super battle droid, 3 meter blast radius, damage 3D
Droideka, 5 meter blast radius, damage 4D |
That's kinda low, since their power core should be able to handle all the power out for their weaponry, + regualr day to day functioning.. |
If I understand properly, the purpose of explosive munitions is to maximize damage through the concussive force of the explosion and to provide as much shrapnel as possible given the volume and mass available. When droid power supplies have the primary purpose of supplying power to the various systems, then doing damage via an explosion seems as though it would be an auxiliary function. Thus when the internal components and armor over a power core can be expected to function differently than a bag of nails with a small charge of C4 in the middle.
Just my take, anyone with actual experience in explosives can feel free to tear this to shreds. Actually, preferably someone with a degree in electrical engineering and training in ballistics.
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*Raises hand* <-- explosives experience
*Puts hand down* <--- not electrical engineering degree
If a weapon is DESIGNED to explode and cause damage, it will do so with much greater explosive potential compared to something that isn't designed to explode. The robots are designed to use the energy from their power generator for use and (in some cases) to power weaponry. They were not designed to be bombs themselves. Therefore their shape isn't suitable for proper dispersal of shrapnel nor is their power generator designed to be explosive or to cause damage. That means that while they may generate power, that power is for usage, not for destructive purposes.
If a Star Wars evil villian was so inclined, he could probably create a droid whose sole purpose would be to get close to a target and explode. This would be a purpose built robot that would be designed to be a walking bomb. It would likely supplement the power generator inside the droid with a fair amount of explosives. The generator exploding would set off the added explosives, creating a bigger, more damaging explosion. Proper placement or design of the chasis of the droid could also increase shrapnel potential or dispersal.
Battle droids, Super Battle Droids, Droidekas, Dwarf Spider Droids....none of those were designed to get in close and blow up as a primary means of inflicting damage. Therefore, adding the BOOM to such droids would be a method of causing power overload and containment resulting in catastrophic (for the droid) release of energy. There would be a blast, but relatively small, and the shrapnel created would be haphazard in dispersal and irregular in radius from origination point.
Hopefully THAT explains why I put the values where I did. |
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Suicide Droids.
A lot of those cheap worker droids, or some cheap version of small hoverdroids, each equipped with a grenade and zooming for the PCs.. 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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I think 1E Warhammer 40,000 actually had what they called Bombots that you could purchase as equipment. It was essentially a mobile mine that moved towards the enemy. When its proximity detectors picked up a target, it detonated.
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| Grimace wrote: | If a Star Wars evil villian was so inclined, he could probably create a droid whose sole purpose would be to get close to a target and explode. This would be a purpose built robot that would be designed to be a walking bomb. It would likely supplement the power generator inside the droid with a fair amount of explosives. The generator exploding would set off the added explosives, creating a bigger, more damaging explosion. Proper placement or design of the chasis of the droid could also increase shrapnel potential or dispersal.
Battle droids, Super Battle Droids, Droidekas, Dwarf Spider Droids....none of those were designed to get in close and blow up as a primary means of inflicting damage. Therefore, adding the BOOM to such droids would be a method of causing power overload and containment resulting in catastrophic (for the droid) release of energy. There would be a blast, but relatively small, and the shrapnel created would be haphazard in dispersal and irregular in radius from origination point. |
Plus, based on the film evidence, these specific kinds of droids usually operate in relatively close proximity to other droids. A self-destructing droid would create domino effect as its destruction takes out other droids, who then in turn detonate and take out other droids and so on. A self-destruct system would be very useful on a prototype droid with advanced technology if you wanted to insure that said technology didn't fall into enemy hands. The above mentioned assassination droid technique would also be true for sabotage (i.e. a droid packed with explosives detonates in some important control station or command post at a critical moment).
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| crmcneill wrote: |
Plus, based on the film evidence, these specific kinds of droids usually operate in relatively close proximity to other droids. A self-destructing droid would create domino effect as its destruction takes out other droids, who then in turn detonate and take out other droids and so on. |
I was once in a Star Wars minis tournament where someone build a "self destruct" squad. Before they even got their first turn someone managed to blow up just one of the self-destructing pieces. He set off a chain reaction which caused many lolz.
The other guy took his few remaining pieces and pulled out at that point.
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garhkal
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I see what you are getting at there Cheshire..
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Reminds me of this scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Grimace wrote: | *Raises hand* <-- explosives experience
*Puts hand down* <--- not electrical engineering degree
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*Raises hand* <-- works with robots
*Puts hand down* <-- my explosives experience is limited to modifying fireworks...
I don't think a human- sized droid's power core would be likely to have more explosive force than a lawnmower gas tank, unless it had energy shields or blasters installed. Robots don't need all that much power.
*Puts hand back up* <-- GM experience
I do think though, that for your purposes a bomb is appropriate, so bundle together some frag grenades or something.
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