Melee & brawling parry with lightsaber

[HACCP]

I was reading the rules concerning parrying. With a lightsaber (using the lightsaber skill) you can parry melee attacks and brawling attacks. Does a lightsaber damage the attackers weapon e.g. a knife as per the damage against objects -rule? And if so won't a melee weapon damage a opponent using brawling attack on a successful parry?

Does people use house rules for this? If that's the case maybe this should be moved to the house rules section.

[vong]

i have wondered this vary thing. for brawling i have ruled that they parry the user's hilt, but not sure about melee combat....
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[HACCP]

Last game session one of my lightsaber-wielding players did parry a dagger. I used the rule for weapon damage and had him roll his damage 4D (lousy saber crystal) against the daggers body STR 2D and compared it on the Object Damage Chart causing a useless, heavily damaged dagger.
I guess you can take it further by comparing the damaged object/weapon against the Cover Damage Chart, thus allowing a second damage roll on the lightsaber part and reducing damage by the Cover Damage Chart, letting excess damage be resisted as usual. This second option seems all to time-consuming but the mechanics are already there.

As this was our first session I haven't really thought about the consequences by implementing this rule. Anyone with experience or just an opinion is welcome to respond.

[ZzaphodD]

I remember we have used some other rule before, but cant remember it now. AFAIK there is no official rule (was there one in 1st ed, I have a vague memory but it could have been a house rule).

I use the following rule.

Brawling vs Melee / Lightsaber

The Defenders parry roll is modifed depending on the following situation below.

Situation Defenders Bonus
Brawling attack vs Melee defence +5
Melee attack vs Lightaber defence +5
Brawling attack vs Lightsaber defence +10

If the attacker rolls below the Defenders unmodified roll either the weapon is damaged (melee vs lightsaber) or the attacker (brawling vs melee&lightsaber).

[Gry Sarth]

When parrying a vibroblade's attack with a lightsaber, don't get too excited about the fact that you're going to destroy your opponent's weapon. Depending on the type of swing, there's a good chance that the severed, incandescent half of the blade will continue on its trajectory to embed itself in your face.

GMs, take note.
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[cheshire]

A skillful use of a melee weapon means not necessarily using your weapon to block the person's weapon. I've used melee items to restrict a combatant's motion, thus preventing their strike from landing. Furthermore, those trained in Renaissance swordplay will see several instances of the use of "body voids" in essence moving your body out of the way of the incoming attack. It is essentially a "melee dodge" but since such a skill does not exist (nor does it need to exist), the "melee dodge" can be seen as just another application of the melee parry skill.
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[garhkal]

With me, if you parry and succeed by the diff from that penalty from melee/brawl your weapon was in the way (or arm). Otherwise a success meant you either avoided the blow or parried their arm the weapon was in.
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[Whill]

I agree with Gry and Ank that parrying does include avoidance, so the "melee dodge" is a part of it (and it states as much at the very top of R&E p. 90).

However, I think it is extremely likely that using a melee weapon or other object to block parry, a lightsaber attack should result in the lightsaber destroying, halving or otherwise damaging the item used to block, because in Revenge of the Sith, those melee guard droids that General Grevious had were said to have weapons made out of a special material that is resistant to lightsaber damage so they could stand up to Jedi. What would be the need of a special alloy of metal unless most other materials damage easily from a lightsaber blade? Qui-Gon used his lightsaber to drill through a blast door so lightsabers can sometimes cause some serious damage to strong metal objects

I found a sentence in the rules that is somewhat relavent to this discussion on p. 95. "Weapons suffer damage in combat, such as when a lightsaber slices through a blaster or vibroblade, or a weapon gets dropped, or as a result of a "complication" that leads to a serious malfunction. It goes on to give a damage to weapons table, and the section ends with a comment that the rule can be used a guideline for other (non-weapon) objects, which would include make-shift melee weapons.

I haven't ran Jedi in a long time so I don't remember if I had a specific mechanic or just winged it, but I do still think that if someone tried to block parry a lightsaber there should be a significant chance of the item breaking, even if the parry itself was successful.
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[atgxtg]

Back in First Edition, lightsabers really were practically unstopable. And if they parried something else they could inflict damage on the attacking weapon.They used to be great against brawling attacks, since it usually meant that the attacker hurt himself.


In 2R&E this is gone (but Jedi now get LS combat). I'd probably rule that a weapon would need to beat the lightsaber by 5 or more to avoid damage, and a brawling attack by 10 or more. Even considering the lightsaber's ability to slice through things, one can probably get even a Jedi to abort an attack with a stop thrust.

I'd probably just have the lightsaber do it's normal 5D damage to weapons through, unless the Jedi was planning on slicing through the defender's weapon. Or have the Jedi split damage dice between weapon and target.

[garhkal]

Which is how i rule.

EG
Dark jedi Adam is going at it with players C and D (his minion is tying up players A, B, E and F)
Player C is meleeing with him using his vibro dagger while player D has to brawl.

DJ rolls a 23 for his attack.
Since brawling someone with a melee weapon out imposes a 10 penalty to parry (as per