Refresher on Dark Side Point consequence rules?

[Akatala]

Okay so my much loved rule book is being held hostage along with a bunch of my furniture at a soon-to-be-disowned relative's house and I'm a bit foggy on the official rules for consequences of a character gaining Dark Side Points. I haven't really had to deal with that issue much at all over the years, but at a recent gaming situation that I GMed, one of the player characters threw a funky surprise after getting an epic fail roll in a brawl and I was forced to rely on a temporary house formula for calculating whether or not the DSPs gained caused the character to Turn.

Seeing as I'm a bit of an OCD when it comes to rules, I'd like to have an official say on the matter, but I can't seem to locate that particular rule in the various d6 wikis.
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[Ankhanu]

When a DSP is gained, roll a d6. If the roll is greater than the total # of DSPs the character has, you're golden; if the roll is less, the character falls.
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[Gry Sarth]

Well, I've just looked this up for this weekend's session, so you're in luck.

When a Jedi with DSP attempts to use the Force, he receives a bonus to his Force Skills equal to the amount of DSP he has (2 DSP = +2D). However, his actions are then under a much stricter scrutiny, and unless they are undoubtedly good and pure, he gets another DSP. The Jedi may chose to refuse this Dark Side bonus, but in this case all difficulties for Force use should be increased by at least one level.

When the character gets a new DSP, he must roll one die. If the result is less than the number of DSP he has, he turns to the Dark Side.
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[Akatala]

[ZzaphodD]

I never liked the randomness in turning to the dark side. One misdoing and one might turn to a slave to the dark side...so;

Here are some alternative rules for turning to the Dark Side.

-You always turn to the Dark Side when you have 6 DSPs, never before.
(This might seem like a huge benefit compared to the RAW, but take the following into consideration.)
-From the point the character has at least 1 DSP the Dark Side will try to influence the characters behaviour. This will at first small things, like making the character use unneccesary force and cause pain. As the DSPs increase the urges will be stronger and will change to real atrocities.
-Character might fight these urges using either Willpower or Control. If control is used, subtract 1D for each DSP. If Willpower is used, subtract 1D for each two DSPs. The GM might add or subtract Dice depending on how the character is behaving (ie, player choices).
-The 'will' of the Dark Side is a number or D's equal to the number of DSB the character has +1. For example, for a character with 3 DSPs the Will of the Dark Side is 4D. The GM might add Dice if in proximity to either a place tainted with the Dark Side, or agents of the Dark Side (ie Sith, Dark Jedi).
-If the Will of the Dark Side rolls higher than the resisting character the nefarious deed is performed. This might result in another DSP.

Note: This easily turns into a snowball effect if the character is not careful. This is of course intentional.

I know this isnt House Rules, but I couldnt resist pitching this as the Dark Side was discussed..

[Gry Sarth]

The problem with setting a fixed target where the character turns to the Dark Side, is that it removes much of the ever-present danger of commiting evil deeds. With the official system, there is no "safe dose" of wrongdoing. Like a powerful drug, you don't know if you'll get addicted on the 2nd or the 6th use of it. Everytime you do it (except for the 1st) you're risking going over. With a fixed number, a player can relatively safely play the field, comiting a couple of evil acts, attoning, and so forth.
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[atgxtg]

I've been thinking of playing around with this rule a bit. Perhaps relplacing the d6 roll with a Willpower roll with the difficulty based on the number of DSP (say 5x the DSP, or maybe just +1 difficulty level per DSP), and dropping the 6= autoturn.

That way the characters can make a mistake or two without really worrying about corruption, but the lure of the darkside would get stronger as they stray further from the path of the Jedi.

[garhkal]

[ZzaphodD]

[ZzaphodD]

[ZzaphodD]

[Gry Sarth]

Far from me to advocate dice rolling over roleplaying. Of course the Dark Side mechanic should only ever me a stimulant to powerful drama and good storytelling. I agree that perhaps 2 strikes you're out could be a tad too fast, so I like things like what atgxtg suggested, where it's likely to take longer for a character to be consumed, but it still retains a certain random element. I just don't like the idea of a character with 4 DSPs, knowing he can commit one more evil act, and then the next one his soul will be lost. Of course a good player won't let that interfere with his roleplaying, but I appreciate it when the system itself aids in the uncertainty a character losing himself should feel.
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[Raven Redstar]

Wow. i actually rather like the idea of the Will. I might try it in my games, most players don't role play the temptation, so adding it in makes sense...

[atgxtg]