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Hellcat
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Ok, I've got a question for folks. If you had a Force-sensitive character who has had the sever Force power used on them, would you still list them as being Force-sensitive even though they can't use the Force anymore? And if so, would you list what their Force skills were at before they were served from the Force.
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| Depends on whether or not you intend on having them either teach someone, like Ulic, or regain them at some point. If either of those are yes, then I would have them listed. If not, then I wouldn't bother. |
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I agree with Raven, and as to listing them as a FS or not, it would be the same, do you intend to give them their powers back? if so then list them as FS, otherwise don't bother.
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I would list them, you never really know what will happen... that or else keep it recorded somewhere else. If you keep the info on the sheet, I would also add an asterisk or something with the caveat saying that they are no longer able to touch the Force. If nothing else, it serves as a reminder for the player of who the character is, what they have lost and their motivations.
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I thoguht sever force only affected force powers/skills. It does nothing to force points iirc.
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It blocks a Force-user from being able to touch the Force. Which would make having the Force skills kinda useless since you use them to touch the Force when you want to use particular powers. In effect a Force-user becomes a non-Force-sensitive, which is why I asked this question. Their no longer able to use the Force but they did learn something before they were blocked. Yet I wasn't sure whether or not what to do with what they learned and their skills. Thanks everyone for the help so far.
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| I would even say it would go to the realm of not being able to spend force points to augment rolls. |
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| Raven Redstar wrote: | | I would even say it would go to the realm of not being able to spend force points to augment rolls. |
Then you'd have to do the same to droids.
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| Ankhanu wrote: | | Raven Redstar wrote: | | I would even say it would go to the realm of not being able to spend force points to augment rolls. |
Then you'd have to do the same to droids. |
Why's that? If a droid has been severed, then yes, if not, then why can't a droid use the force? The force is in everything, trees, rocks, ships, stars, why not a droid? |
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| Raven Redstar wrote: | | Ankhanu wrote: | | Raven Redstar wrote: | | I would even say it would go to the realm of not being able to spend force points to augment rolls. |
Then you'd have to do the same to droids. |
Why's that? If a droid has been severed, then yes, if not, then why can't a droid use the force? The force is in everything, trees, rocks, ships, stars, why not a droid? |
I think that's exactly his point. If droids, who cannot be Force sensitive, can draw on Force points, then those who have had the Force severed should also be able to draw on Force points.
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| Droids can be force sensitive, since 4-Lom gets trained as a Jedi by Luke Skywalker. Or at least so I've heard. My point is, using a force point is like drawing on the force to change a situation. Some people don't do it consciously, but that doesn't make it any less than that. |
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I disagree. A Force Point is more like trying your hardest to accomplish something. If an FP was really like drawing on the Force to accomplish something, then a Force-sensitive or Force-user character would have to use a FP everytime they use the Force while a non-Force-sensitive would never be able to use an FP and should thusly never get them.
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Straight from the 2nd Ed R&E Rulebook, pg 84:
"Force Points
Force Points represent a character doing his or her best to use skill, talent (and luck) to accomplish something. Force Points represent a common and seemingly "subconscious" manifestation of the Force—the player knows that a Force Point is being used, but the character only knows that he's trying his best to be successful."
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| Hellcat wrote: | | I disagree. A Force Point is more like trying your hardest to accomplish something. If an FP was really like drawing on the Force to accomplish something, then a Force-sensitive or Force-user character would have to use a FP everytime they use the Force while a non-Force-sensitive would never be able to use an FP and should thusly never get them. |
I'm afraid you might have a bit of your logic backwards there, Hellcat. Though every use of a Force point may draw upon the Force, not every draw upon the Force necessitates the use of a Force point. The text on page 84 of the R&E states:
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Force Points represent a character doing his best to use skill, talent (and luck) to accomplish something. Force Points represent a common and seemingly "subconscious" manifestations of the Force... |
I read that as the players drawing upon the Force. Also, hence the name Force points. But I realize that interpretations may vary.
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I'd agree with what the rules say if not for two things. Firstly, they specify it's a seemingly "subconscious" use of the Force. Seemingly saying that it seems they are unknowingly able to tap into the Force. But that is just that it seems they are tapping into the Force to accomplish something. Even the fourth page of the player handout in the R&E (page 22 of the book) says you may unknowingly be using the Force when you spend a Force Point. But the player handout specifically says the character is using all their concentration, not just doing their best.
| Quote: | - Force Points: When you spend a Force point, that means your character is using all of his concentration to succeed --- and whether he knows it or not, he is drawing upon the Force!
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It's the part of "doing his or her best to use skill, talent (and luck) to accomplish something" and "using all of his concentration" added to the "seemingly "subconscious" manifestation of the Force" which says to me more a non-Force-sensitive who uses Force Points to increase their odds of success is seen as using the Force by those around them even though in actuallity they are just work that much harder to succeed at something
Of course the "seemingly "subconscious" manifestation of the Force" makes even more sense that the character is unknowingly using the Force because on page 36 it says a non-Force-sensitive can become so if they spend 20 CP. In essence it's to me that folks are already Force-sensitive but they don't yet know it. Which brings up part two of why I don't agree. Everyone can become Force-sensitive.... except droids. Page 236 of the R&E states:
| Quote: | | Droids may not be Force-sensitive and may never have Force skills. |
This doesn't mean droid characters can't have FPs, Artoo and Threepio in the Movie Trilogy Sourcbook both have a single FP as of the Battle of Yavin. But while Threepio maintains just one FP throughout the events of the original trilogy according to this particular sourcebook, Artoo gains a second FP as of the Battle of Hoth and maintains that level through the Battle of Endor. These are NPC droids, and fairly big NPCs considering they have a full write up of their skills and attributes and not just some summary. PC droids can also have FPs, but they can never become Force-sensitive. Unless the droids are just a shell for Shards, i.e. something like the Iron Knights. In which case the droid isn't a droid at all but both a vehicle and a powersuit.
If droids themselves can never become Force-sensitive, then how can they possibly subconsciously use the Force? I don't believe they can, which is why I say FPs aren't actually using the Force.
As you say chesire, interpretations may vary.
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