Stats: Exar Kuun

schnarre · Commander Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 333

...Was wondering if anyone had tried to actually to put stats down for this guy. Twisted Evil

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MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

I haven't yet (although I am working on some stats of my own), but I found some at this site:
http://rpggamer.org/stats.php?page=d6/d6exarkun.html&name=Exar%20Kun%20

I think they're pretty accurate when meassured up against the other official stats, though I would probabaly have made him a little bit more powerful.

Hellcat · Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:23 am Post subject:

The Rebellion converted D20 stats from the Dark Side Sourcebook.

MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

Hellcat · Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:53 am Post subject:

Hey, I'm not the one who converted them. I just posted. Schnarre wanted stats, that's what I gave them.
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MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

I know, and I didn't mean any disrespect.
I'm quite familiar with the website where you found the stats.
I was just stating that I found them somewhat out of sync with the official stats, thats all.

No hard feelings?

Raven Redstar · Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:16 am Post subject:

I really don't think the stats from rebellion are terribly underpowered. When you look at the stats for Jedi knights in Tales of the Jedi, your average knight is running around with 4D or 5D lightsaber and their force attributes in the 1D+x to 3D max. I think that Exar Kun is quite potent for that time period. Arca Jeth was one of the most powerful Jedi of the time, and he is slain by an assassin droid. Those stats that you've linked for Kun, I think are more appropriate sometime in the NJO era, for his dark side spirit. I wasn't so nice to my players when they were dealing with the spirit of Exar Kun, and I gave him Freedon Nadd's stats.

When you look at the time period itself. Kun is a paragon of a force user, even with Dark side sourcebook conversion. What he has going for him, is that no one sees him coming, for the most part, and he has access to very powerful artifacts. In addition he has troves of expendable shock troops. I really think that for your average campaign, the stats Hellcat supplied are more than sufficient.

MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

Raven Redstar · Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject:

By the time of the Krath uprising, the galaxy was using new "blaster technology", Pulse-wave tech was new as of the battle of Onderon, with the beast riders. So him having the blaster skill isn't necessarily terribly outlandish.

When they show Kun dueling Crado, he doesn't just use the saber, he lashes out with physical attacks also, side kicks and what not. Not terribly out there to give him a decent brawling skill.

When you do a specialization at character creation, the skill is higher, but, when you learn a skill specialization after character creation, you start from square one. Take Han Solo and his blaster rifle specialization which is quite a bit lower than his standard blaster skill, and massively lower than his Heavy Blaster Pistol specialization.

Anyway, you're right that the stats in Tales of the Jedi reflect their first adventure out, but they probably still aren't that much better by the time of Exar Kun. Not to mention the fact that up until Exar rolls to fall to the dark side, he gets his dark side point bonus stacked on top, which could have been how he bested his master the first time.
Not to mention the fact that Vodo Siosk Baas wasn't a renowned fighter, he was a scholar, much like Master Odan-Urr. Master Thon is only in the 10D to 11D range.

All I'm saying is that both sets make sense, just at different time periods. I think the ones that Hellcat posted are more appropriate for when he's building himself up. And the other ones are appropriate by the end encounter.

MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

Hellcat · Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject:

Most likely not. I was just recently discussing this elsewhere on one of Jamfke's games (elsewhere as in on RPD) and even in the 2nd Edition R&E there's nothing I can find that states you get a specialization above the base skill when you get it new. You pay X CP to earn it at one pip above the attribute like you do for the base skill. Of course I may be wrong, and wouldn't mind it.
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MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

I think that this is more or less implied.
Examples in the official stats include Han Solo getting Dodge: energy weapons at 1D higher than his regular dodge.
Luke getting SP: X-wing higher than his regular starfighter piloting.
Luke getting Droid repair: astromechs higher than his droid repair.

If you really think about it this is a no brainer.
C'mon...

Raven Redstar · Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:05 am Post subject:

Page 33 of Star Wars Trilogy Sourcebook:
Just going to put down his dexterity and skills, and then you can draw whatever conclusions that you like about it.

MasterKazur · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 107

That has to have been a slip on the phrasing of the paragraph.
If you notice in the example that follows it doesn't say anything about specializations.
My guess is that Han Solo (at the time of "creation"), when he was in the Imperial Navy, had Dexterity 3D+1 and then placed 1D i blaster and took the specialization blaster rifles. Since he didn't really use blaster rifles after leaving the Empire it just stayed at 5D+1.

It would make ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE for specializations. specializations to start out worse than the base skill.
Think about this guys. Really think about it.

You're playing a pilot character. You have a MECHANICAL of 3D+2 and a space transports skill of a whooping 9D+1. You spend all your time flying your ship (a light freighter called the Dawn Breaker). Then one day you decide to specialize in these crafts since you've been flying it for a year or so and never fly any other type of starship.
Then you take the specialization but your ability to pilot your ship drops from 9D+1 to 4D!!!!
This is absourdly stupid!
This would make taking a specialization after character creation the dumbest thing you can possibly do.
How do you explain IN UNIVERSE that your ability to pilot a ship, that you focus ALL your time and training on, would suddenly drop more than 50 %???

If you think about this, it is clear that the rules are just poorly phrased in regards to this.

Raven Redstar · Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:00 am Post subject:

Well, it does say specialization. I don't necessarily agree with it. However, I can see where it would make sense, simply for game balance. Example: character begins raising his dodge skill to unparalleled heights let's say. 13D, spending the 13 character points per pip is getting to be rather costly, so the character thinks: "Hey, I'll just specialize in energy weapons because I tend to be getting shot at by blasters a lot." Spends the 13 character points one last time, then gets Dodge: Energy Weapons 13D+1, from then on, it's half cost... Not to mention the fact that there are several specializations that exist in the game which when properly applied can be death to all. Namely: Martial Arts. If using the rules from Rules of Engagement, a character can hit harder than any blaster weapon known, with few exceptions of course. And, if you take into account the I've already raised my brawling skill, why wouldn't this be better attitude, then you wind up with some fledgling white belt who can best a black belt, not to mention a plethora of special moves after only spending the first set of character points.

In my opinion, this whole situation could be avoided by simply requiring that characters who are progressing later, must specialize when learning a new skill. Must. Like my jedi character who learned how to fly on an X-wing, so I had him learn the skill Starfighter Piloting: X-Wing. However, this is also assuming that the control boards for every single ship, or the nomenclature for every single blaster in the galaxy are exactly the same. A man trains his entire life with a pistol, then picks up a rifle one day after never using it. Is he going to be an awesome shot with it? Not likely.

It is possible that you're right about Han, it's also possible that during his stay on the Deathstar and his using the Blaster Rifles that were procured off the Storm Troopers there, he spent character points and began familiarizing himself with a rifle.

One could also think about it like this, learning to go from an automatic transmission to a manual. Are you saying that because you're an expert in the first, that the other isn't completely foreign to you?

Anyway, the direction this discussion is going, it should be in official or house rules.

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