Brawling and Melee

[adamlumina93]

First off let me say its nice to be getting back into SW D6 and Rancorpit.

Was wondering if anyone else had any thought on Moving Brawling/Brawling Parry under one skill: Brawling under Dex (Dex to hit and Str for dmg). Also I think there is no need for Melee Combat and Melee Parry Skills, just use Melee Combat for both. Any thoughts?

[Gry Sarth]

Moving brawling to DEX makes a lot of sense. I always have a hard time when converting large creatures, they have a very high STR score and this automatically makes them great fighters.

I do like the separate attack/parry skills. I think they add an interesting level of customization to the characters and helps keep munchkins in check.
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[jmanski]

I like Brawling under Strength, at least for characters.

As far as a single Brawl/parry and Melee/parry- that's what we did.
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[garhkal]

I have never liked combining the to hit part and the parry part. IMO it cheapens combat. I have had several great characters hwo had high skills in parry, but did not buy any hitting part, as they were described as great at fending off attacks, but not attackers themselves. If the skills were combined i would be great at both attacking and defending.
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[jmanski]

I see your point. But when they see two skills to increase melee or brawling, most people just dump dice into blaster.

Besides, a parry specialization could fix that, if you wanted to go that way.
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[garhkal]

You sdtill have 2 skills to raise with blaster... DODGE.
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[Gry Sarth]

Exactly. One attack skill, one defense skill. That's how the entire system is structured.
Melee combat - Melee parry
Brawling - Brawling parry
Blaster - Dodge
Starship gunnery - starfighter piloting/starship shields
Thrown weapons - Dodge

And Lightsaber comes and kinds of wrecks it. But that's offset by the high difficulty of the weapon.
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[jmanski]

[Gry Sarth]

[Whill]

Brawling and melee combat don't come up that often in my games, so I combined the parry skills with the attack skills for those two only.
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[garhkal]

[Jedi AlanRocks]

[jmanski]

[Dread Pirate Al]

Linking Brawl to STR has the same drawback (to my mind) as XD&D using STR as a base for hitting in close combat. I cannot see how being stronger makes you more likely to hit someone.

So I certainly like the idea of moving Brawl to Dex.


I don't have 2nd Ed (or 2nd Ed Revised and Expanded) in large because of the explosion in the skill list factory.

I really like the lean, tight skill list (in the most part) in 1st Ed D6.

So I would certainly support the idea of rolling Brawling and Brawling Parry into one skill.


In fact in my houserules I just have one skill 'Combat' which subsumes Brawling, Brawling Parry, Melee and Melee Parry. It offends my eye to have an artifical distinction between fighting armed and unarmed. AiKiDo 'unarmed strikes' are in fact the same movement as one would make holding a weapon, Bruce Lee formulated his series of blocks (in part) from the fencing moves his brother learnt <and insert other more relevant examples here>

A Parry is very different from a Block is very different from sliding inside opponent's guard or sidestepping but for an reasonable degree of playability the authors were prepared to have one skill to abstract them. I go two steps further.


Gry makes a good point re: Attack and Defence skills for each type of attack. And if you sticking with RAW then to maintain consistency then you could argue the need for two (but maybe not four) separate HtH skills.

I think that Specialising (which IS a rule from 2nd Ed I have stolen) is a more elegant way to do this.


On the subject of cover. In the films (and I take on board the point that a RPG cannot directly map its source material, but I happen to think that this is a very good starting point) our heroes avoid gettingshot by either running headlong and jinking (and thus forgoing their chance to shoot that turn) or hiding in cover and popping out from time to time to squeeze a shot off. The only times they really blast away in the open is when they have the drop on the bad guys.



Al

[cheshire]

I've always been a fan of keeping brawling under strength for two reasons. First, Dex is already pretty loaded as far as useful skills. Keeping it under Str spreads the skills out just that much more. This system is already fairly prone to munchkin abuse without a good GM, and adding more to Dex does not help the game balance.

Second, I think that it makes a bit of real-word sense. Granted, an Olympic gymnast seems like they may have the dexterity to get in quick and get a jab in on an Olympic weightlifter. But frankly, if you've never seen the two of them fight before, you'd put your money on the weightlifter. An untrained person who is stronger generally perceived to be in a better position to fight than an untrained person who isn't nearly as strong.
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