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garhkal
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 Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: New group, new DSP conundrum... |
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Well. I finally got a gaming group together up in Hattisburg Ms, which is playing Starwars (YAY ME!). During our first session, we had one player (playing a wookie) go into berserker rage and then spent a FP to stomp enemies...
I see it that when in BR, all wookies think about is blood, hate, anger etc. Which to me would lead to an instant DSP if and when they spend a FP within the rage.
Do you agree or disagree?
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masque
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Since he spent the FP, then yes.
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Gry Sarth
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If he was doing well enough with just the berseker rage, and decided to spend the FP just so he could completely squish the troopers, then it's a DSP.
That's assuming he's not Force-sensitive, otherwise he would just be gathering DSPs with every breath.
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cheshire
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No question. Give him the DSP. Warn first, but give him the DSP if he does it.
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garhkal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Actually he went with force sensitivity. As to why he spent the FP, the others were down facing 6 stormies with one officer, and one manning an e-web.
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Gry Sarth
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Uh.... Force-sensitive berserking wookiee.... bad combo.
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masque
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If he's Force sensitive, then he's likely to get a DSP every time he goes berserk, whether he spends a FP or not.
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| So, his team mates were out for the count, and he was going 7 vs 1, and up against an e-web? I don't know, it's a tough call, wookiees already have a really bad bit with the empire to begin with. To be honest, I think he was playing his character appropriately. I would let it slide this time, just remind him in the future, that as a force sensitive, he must adhere to the jedi code, or receive a DSP for every action outside, giving in to his anger and going into rage mode is definitely not within the code, however, given the circumstances, I'd let it slide, only because wookiees tend to have bad tempers to begin with, and he might not have realized what he was getting himself in to when he decided to go with the combo. |
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garhkal
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He is not a jedi. Just force sensitive..
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That seems to be a really common misconception...
Just because a character is Force Sensitive, doesn't mean they're a Jedi or wanna be Jedi.
It just means they start with 2 Force Points and could eventually learn the ways of the Force.
In short:
A Jedi is Force Sensitive
A Force Sensitive is not necessarily a Jedi.
A Non-Force Sensitive is not a Jedi.
Non-FS means a character starts with 1 Force Point and technically (under 2nd edition) can never become a Jedi or Force user (other than their single Force Point)
FS characters start with 2 Force Points and can learn to use the ways of the Force. They do not have to be a Jedi, they do not have to even know the ways of the Force. They are just sensitive to the Force. Does't mean they can use Force powers and they don't follow any code.
Force users are, by nature, Force Sensitive. They have to be in order to use the Force. Not all Force users are Jedi. But all Jedi are Force users. Ergo, all Jedi are Force Sensitive.
So just because the Wookiee is Force Sensitive doesn't mean he's a Jedi and doesn't mean he even knows any Force powers. It just means he's sensitive to the Force and starts with 2 Force Points. He can have the potential to gain the ability to use the Force (to "learn the ways of the Force"), but that doesn't mean he's a Jedi. |
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Gry Sarth
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Right, he's not a Jedi, but that doesn't change anything in regard to the DSP issue. Gaining a DSP is not about "breaking the Jedi code", it's a natural consequence in the Force for "bad behaviour". If you're Force-sensitive, you're open to the temptations of the Dark Side, whether you know how to use the Force or not.
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| Grimace wrote: | That seems to be a really common misconception...
Just because a character is Force Sensitive, doesn't mean they're a Jedi or wanna be Jedi.
It just means they start with 2 Force Points and could eventually learn the ways of the Force.
In short:
A Jedi is Force Sensitive
A Force Sensitive is not necessarily a Jedi.
A Non-Force Sensitive is not a Jedi.
Non-FS means a character starts with 1 Force Point and technically (under 2nd edition) can never become a Jedi or Force user (other than their single Force Point)
FS characters start with 2 Force Points and can learn to use the ways of the Force. They do not have to be a Jedi, they do not have to even know the ways of the Force. They are just sensitive to the Force. Does't mean they can use Force powers and they don't follow any code.
Force users are, by nature, Force Sensitive. They have to be in order to use the Force. Not all Force users are Jedi. But all Jedi are Force users. Ergo, all Jedi are Force Sensitive.
So just because the Wookiee is Force Sensitive doesn't mean he's a Jedi and doesn't mean he even knows any Force powers. It just means he's sensitive to the Force and starts with 2 Force Points. He can have the potential to gain the ability to use the Force (to "learn the ways of the Force"), but that doesn't mean he's a Jedi. |
There's really no misconception. The rules are pretty clear in the main book.
Page 29:
| Quote: | Force-sensitive characters feel the pull of both the light and the dark. They must be careful not to do evil or they risk being forever corrupted by the dark side.
Force-sensitive characters can't be as mercenary as Han Solo is at the beginning of A New Hope. They must be moral, honest and honorable, like Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, or the dark side will dominate them. |
Page 137:
| Quote: | | Those who are sensitive to the Force soon learn that there is no middle ground between the dark and the light. For most beings -- unaware of the power of the Force -- the struggle between good and evil is not as powerful, not as compelling. For those who are attuned to the Force, the struggle of good versus evil, life versus death, is of the utmost importance. |
Neither of those say anything about having to be trained. It's one of the drawbacks of being sensitive. You feel the pull, whether you fully understand it or not. Unfortunately, there is no gray area when it comes to it. If you do evil, you are more compelled than the average person to continue doing it. Hence, the darkside point. |
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ifurin
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| giving the situation there is little doubt that the character should have received a DSP. weather you should give it to him now after the fact is up to you. as far as the character goes if it is his first DSP then there is not much worry there about it but it should be a wake-up call that in the future he should be careful. |
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garhkal
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ifurin, i gave it to him, but was wondering if i did right.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Did the wookie kill them all or just take them down? If the player deliberately ripped them apart, DSP. If he soaked fire to be able to take out the baddies to save his friends, no DSP. If he soaked fire and ripped them apart, DSP. Remind the player that he doesn't have to kill deliberately when enraged. A good backhand may kill a stormie, but ripping his arms off is something entirely different.
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