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Eiren
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 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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What's the official rule (if there is one) on characters performing a physical action and a non physical action in the same round?
Also, what house rules (if any) do ya GM's use in that situation?
Some examples of what I mean:
PC Smuggler yells at NPC Pirate "I'll kill you!" and draws his blaster in an attempt to intimidate the pirate. Does he suffer a MAP to his intimidation roll because he is also drawing his blaster?
PC Smuggler is turning a fugitive passenger over to the authorities. While piloting his ship into the docking bay he cons his passenger telling him "We're just making a quick stop for supplies." Does he suffer a MAP to his con roll and piloting roll?
PC Smuggler is piloting his ship through an unkown asteroid field. While doing so he is thinking to himself about plotting the rest of his journey so he makes a planetary systems roll also. Does he suffer MAP to his planetary systems and piloting rolls?
PC Smuggler makesa command roll to orgainze his gunners fire against a pirate vessel while piloting his own vessel to avoid enemy fire. MAP to both rolls?
I'd assume it's probably more or less a GM's call but I want to see if there is anything official on it and hear yalls input as well. The command situation I think I'd apply the MAP since the command roll he is making is a bit more involved than sputtering out a couple words quickly or just thinking to oneself.
What are yalls thoughts?
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id put it as a map. its what your concentrating on doing, not actually doing.
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Ankhanu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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| Eiren wrote: | | What's the official rule (if there is one) on characters performing a physical action and a non physical action in the same round? |
Pretty much any skill roll imposes a MAP unless stated otherwise.
| Eiren wrote: | Some examples of what I mean:
PC Smuggler yells at NPC Pirate "I'll kill you!" and draws his blaster in an attempt to intimidate the pirate. Does he suffer a MAP to his intimidation roll because he is also drawing his blaster? |
Suffers a MAP, bu probably gains a positive modifier to the attempt.
| Eiren wrote: | | PC Smuggler is turning a fugitive passenger over to the authorities. While piloting his ship into the docking bay he cons his passenger telling him "We're just making a quick stop for supplies." Does he suffer a MAP to his con roll and piloting roll? |
Yup, he's splitting concentration between two tasks that require a lot of attention.
| Eiren wrote: | | PC Smuggler is piloting his ship through an unkown asteroid field. While doing so he is thinking to himself about plotting the rest of his journey so he makes a planetary systems roll also. Does he suffer MAP to his planetary systems and piloting rolls? |
Absolutely. Both are tasks that require a lot of attention and concentration to do well... especially piloting through the asteroid field (really they're ALL unknown as they're constantly changing; like watching a river, you never fly into the same asteroid field twice).
| Eiren wrote: | | PC Smuggler makesa command roll to orgainze his gunners fire against a pirate vessel while piloting his own vessel to avoid enemy fire. MAP to both rolls? |
I suppose there's probably a reason why commanders generally just command, rather than command and man a station on the bridge of a ship. This one's a little less clear cut, but, yeah, I'd probably impose a MAP, if or no other reason that when we see people giving commands in the movies, they generally stop performing whatever action they were doing to give the commands, then resume their prior task...
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Eiren
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Ok, back to the planetary systems roll example. Would it be possible for a player to "choose" his MAP? What I mean is, if the player specifically were to state: "I'm focusing primarily on piloting, this is an asteroid field after all, but I'll let my knowledge of planetary systems rolls through the back of my mind as I go."
Would you allow him to pilot at normal skill and apply a 2D MAP to planetary systems?
I think it is possible to do two things at once, but focus on one and do the other as a 'cursory' action, yes?
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| Eiren wrote: | Ok, back to the planetary systems roll example. Would it be possible for a player to "choose" his MAP? What I mean is, if the player specifically were to state: "I'm focusing primarily on piloting, this is an asteroid field after all, but I'll let my knowledge of planetary systems rolls through the back of my mind as I go."
Would you allow him to pilot at normal skill and apply a 2D MAP to planetary systems?
I think it is possible to do two things at once, but focus on one and do the other as a 'cursory' action, yes? |
I dont see why not. But the information would take a few rounds (i would say double, if not quadruple the amount of time taken if only a cursory thought)
But this would only apply to mental tasks. Flying is while technically a physical task, it is mentally draining as well (dodge, up, down, left, slow, fast....)
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Ankhanu
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I wouldn't, splitting concentration is splitting concentration, both things your doing will suffer. How great an effect splitting your concentration has will be dependent upon your skill level in each skill. -1D for each; choosing makes absolutely no sense to me.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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| Ankhanu wrote: | | Eiren wrote: | | What's the official rule (if there is one) on characters performing a physical action and a non physical action in the same round? |
Pretty much any skill roll imposes a MAP unless stated otherwise.
| Eiren wrote: | Some examples of what I mean:
PC Smuggler yells at NPC Pirate "I'll kill you!" and draws his blaster in an attempt to intimidate the pirate. Does he suffer a MAP to his intimidation roll because he is also drawing his blaster? |
Suffers a MAP, bu probably gains a positive modifier to the attempt. |
I think holding a weapon gives a +5 bonus to intimidation checks so it's probably worth the MAP
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I agree.
Splitting your concentration is just that. If I'm typing here and talking on the phone, both tasks suffer because they are being issued by the same brain.
If you had two brains... well, then maybe.
IMO you should impose the penalty, but offer a positive situation circumstance depending on what skills the offender has. If the NPC being dropped off trusts the PC smuggler, then lower the difficulty of the bluff roll. Thats how I would modify the game, not by dismissing the MAP's. |
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Eiren
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Okies, yall are making enough sense for me. Although Ican see the situation that is gonna arise:
NPC Fugitive "So why are we landing here?"
PC Smuggler "Hang on a sec, I'm making piloting rolls right now. I'll lie to you once we land."
Thanks for the feedback gang 
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Ankhanu
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Think of it like talking on a cell phone while driving... people don't do either task very well when they do them together.
In the example you're giving, it might go something like:
NPC Fugitive "So why are we landing here?"
PC Smuggler "We're, uh, just stopping by for... some essential supplies." (speaking as his attention flicks across all the controls and instruments on the ship and out the viewport as the ship comes in slightly less smoothly than usual)
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Eiren
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| Ankhanu wrote: | Think of it like talking on a cell phone while driving... people don't do either task very well when they do them together.
In the example you're giving, it might go something like:
NPC Fugitive "So why are we landing here?"
PC Smuggler "We're, uh, just stopping by for... some essential supplies." (speaking as his attention flicks across all the controls and instruments on the ship and out the viewport as the ship comes in slightly less smoothly than usual) |
No I understand and agree, I was trying to make a funny, hehe 
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your probably right with your analogy though.
ALTHOUGH... if the PC tries to do both and fails the conn you could make him say just that...
Did I say Lie to you... I meant turn you over to the .... I mean we need snacks. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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| Eiren wrote: | What's the official rule (if there is one) on characters performing a physical action and a non physical action in the same round?
Also, what house rules (if any) do ya GM's use in that situation?
Some examples of what I mean:
PC Smuggler yells at NPC Pirate "I'll kill you!" and draws his blaster in an attempt to intimidate the pirate. Does he suffer a MAP to his intimidation roll because he is also drawing his blaster?
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IIRC of the book, yes. It is an action for drawing your weapon, reloading/changing out blaster power packs, and then the Intimidate is also an action.
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PC Smuggler is turning a fugitive passenger over to the authorities. While piloting his ship into the docking bay he cons his passenger telling him "We're just making a quick stop for supplies." Does he suffer a MAP to his con roll and piloting roll? |
Is the conning done at the same time he is landing? If yes, then he suffers a MAP for doing 2 actions.
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PC Smuggler is piloting his ship through an unkown asteroid field. While doing so he is thinking to himself about plotting the rest of his journey so he makes a planetary systems roll also. Does he suffer MAP to his planetary systems and piloting rolls? |
Again yes... If he is making that PS roll while piloting that is 2 actions.
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PC Smuggler makesa command roll to orgainze his gunners fire against a pirate vessel while piloting his own vessel to avoid enemy fire. MAP to both rolls? |
See above. command is an action and so is piloting, so yes to the MAPS.
| Quote: | | Suffers a MAP, bu probably gains a positive modifier to the attempt. |
Very true Ank... He just might get a bonus to his Intimidate depending on the weapon, though i once had a PC do that then drew a hold out pistol, so i applied a PENALTY due to the puny status of the blaster.
| Quote: | Ok, back to the planetary systems roll example. Would it be possible for a player to "choose" his MAP? What I mean is, if the player specifically were to state: "I'm focusing primarily on piloting, this is an asteroid field after all, but I'll let my knowledge of planetary systems rolls through the back of my mind as I go."
Would you allow him to pilot at normal skill and apply a 2D MAP to planetary systems?
I think it is possible to do two things at once, but focus on one and do the other as a 'cursory' action, yes? |
House rule may cover that, but BTB no. It does not matter where your focus is, all actions get the penalty.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Quote: | | Suffers a MAP, bu probably gains a positive modifier to the attempt. |
Very true Ank... He just might get a bonus to his Intimidate depending on the weapon, though i once had a PC do that then drew a hold out pistol, so i applied a PENALTY due to the puny status of the blaster. |
I dunno... I mean, whether it's big or small, it's still conveying an intent of harm. I think any of us would get a little nervous if someone pulled a Derringer on us, for example. That's worth a bonus 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Physical + Non Physical + MAP's |
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| Ankhanu wrote: | | I dunno... I mean, whether it's big or small, it's still conveying an intent of harm. I think any of us would get a little nervous if someone pulled a Derringer on us, for example. That's worth a bonus |
Speaking as someone who has had a gun put in his face, and a shotgun pointed at his gut... It REEEAAAALLLLY doesn't matter about the size of the gun. What matters is the intent (or percieved intent).
The guy w/ the gun was robbing me - I had NO doubt he'd pull the trigger (it was a .32 pistol). Yeah, I gave him the cash.
The girl w/ the shotgun was an ex who thought I was cheating on her. A little distraught, but there was no way she was serious.
So, yeah... this is one case where size doesn't matter...
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