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CRMcNeill
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Giving this a bump on account of an idea I had re/ the OP.
It occurs to me that a ship's weapon systems would almost certainly be tied into a central Targeting Computer / Fire Control System, ala what's posted on the first page. However, this doesn't really gibe with the existing stats, where different weapons on the same ship have varying dice values in Fire Control.
An idea that occurred to me would be to give every armed ship and vehicle a central Fire Control system (with its own base FC value), and then individual weapon systems would have a modifier applied to it. For example, an X-Wing would have a central Fire Control rating of 2D, the Quad-Laser Cannon a modifier of +1D, and the Proton Torpedo Launchers a modifier of +0D.
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garhkal
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I could see that for larger ships which can HAVE big central computers.. Thus they can have their own 'ship system FC" rating..
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | Giving this a bump on account of an idea I had re/ the OP.
It occurs to me that a ship's weapon systems would almost certainly be tied into a central Targeting Computer / Fire Control System, ala what's posted on the first page. However, this doesn't really gibe with the existing stats, where different weapons on the same ship have varying dice values in Fire Control.
An idea that occurred to me would be to give every armed ship and vehicle a central Fire Control system (with its own base FC value), and then individual weapon systems would have a modifier applied to it. For example, an X-Wing would have a central Fire Control rating of 2D, the Quad-Laser Cannon a modifier of +1D, and the Proton Torpedo Launchers a modifier of +0D. |
You can think of it like that, but I do not see any advantage with the notation of having a central ship FC stat and then only having an FC modifier noted for each weapon system, thus requiring a player to look in two different places in the stat block and doing arithmetic to get any weapon's FC. You could just put the resultant FC in the weapon stat and that would be more user friendly.
In RAW and my spaceship damage systems, it is possible to heavy damage an entire type of weapon (RAW has it as an entire type one fire arc). Based on being able to damage all emplacements of an entire type of weapon without it affecting other weapon types, I think of each weapon type having a central system. That conforms to the traditional stats notation of each weapon type being listed with the number of emplacements. All the weapons of a type have the same FC. In my system, heavy damage to weapons affects an entire weapon type due to a power surge, applying a -2D penalty to both FC and damage, without other weapon systems being affected.
If I was a designing a ship and using your OP, I would think of each weapon type having one of the fire control systems.
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | I could see that for larger ships which can HAVE big central computers.. Thus they can have their own 'ship system FC" rating.. |
Anything with an integrated fire control system is going to have some sort of central fire control processor. An X-Wing, for example, will need to interface two different weapon systems with the pilot’s HUD, the ship’s own sensors, the firing selector modules on the console, etc. The only vehicles that won’t will be utility speeders and the like with non-integrated pintel mounted heavy weapons.
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CRMcNeill
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| Whill wrote: | | You could just put the resultant FC in the weapon stat and that would be more user friendly. |
Yes, that’s how it would be written in the stats. The D-rating of the Fire Control module would be in the notes somewhere for use in case the PCs wanted to try to upgrade their ship, but otherwise, FC would be presented as it normally is.
| Quote: | | If I was a designing a ship and using your OP, I would think of each weapon type having one of the fire control systems. |
IIRC, Severe Damage had an option for all weapon systems being non functional, so the Heavy Damage could be some sort of intermediate system that connects to the central module, while Severe could be damage to the module itself.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | If I was a designing a ship and using your OP, I would think of each weapon type having one of the fire control systems. |
IIRC, Severe Damage had an option for all weapon systems being non functional, so the Heavy Damage could be some sort of intermediate system that connects to the central module, while Severe could be damage to the module itself. |
Yes, RAW severe damage has a result where all weapons are either disabled (but reparable) or they are all destroyed. My damage system has the disabled option from a power surge (but accumulation of damages can destroy individual emplacements).
All weapons together may have some sort of central system, especially on ships with a weapons station that can access them all. But I still think of each weapon type having its own targeting system. That's all. To each his own.
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Nice to see the omitted rules for upgrading fire control. If history is any indication, as well as general principles, each battery that can be fired separately has its own fire control system. Which in capital ship terms means every battery; in the case of damage it could be slaved to ones from other weapons of the same model (not just type - has to be part of the same group in the stats blocks, basically); but anything sharing fire control has to attack the target that said fire control is aiming at. There's no centralized fire control system, but there is somebody (on an ISD likely in the bridge pit) responsible for ensuring the batteries are distributing their fire between targets the way the captain wants them too. A Corellian Gunship can fire its quadlasers separately since each of them have their own fire control system
As for legality, of course just about any government wouldn't want civilians to own high-end fire control equipment. The problem is that unlike a turbolaser or sublight drive, there doesn't see to be any specific measure of fire control quality that can be written into Imperial law to mark the boundary between "legal" and "illegal." |
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FVBonura
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I have discussed this elsewhere...
I price Fire Control systems with two main factors, Bonus and Maximum Range of the weapon. As discussed before for every +1D of bonus you are doubling the value of the given system. The max range factors in by precision/accuracy as a weapon with 1 km max range will need less resolution than a weapon with a max range of say 25 km.
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