The Cruelty of Crimelords

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[Hellcat]

Well, he did stick the stick into the can and stir it about
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[southpaw]

And what a civilized pair of worms you are!

Given the character has had no formal Jedi training, very little knowledge of the Jedi Code, and given that her intention was to end a great blight upon the galaxy, I've decided to go the middle path. No Dark Side Point, but she has awoken the shadow within her, and will be subject to the temptations of the Dark Side. Next time? definitely a Dark Side Point.

[CRMcNeill]

[Bren]

[CRMcNeill]

[Bren]

Oh, you're on the wagon. You just aren't ready to admit you are on the wagon.

[southpaw]

Funnily enuf, in the real world (at least as I understand it) the results affect the severity of punishment in legal circles. Hence the difference between attempted murder and murder; the reason (from how I remember it being explained a while back) was that it gave the perpetrator the chance to back out of the deed at the last, which gave room for their conscience to kick in. Attempted murder still very bad, but the length of sentence is reduced.

I'm one foot on the wagon and one foot dragging in the dirt though. Like anything you have to look at it on a case by case basis, though in general how I'd probabky do it is as follows: for a fully fledged jedi with all their training and indoctrination to allow his hatred and passion to overwhelm him is a far greater fall from grace than an untrained and uneducated Force user doing what they felt was right. So a full DSP to the Jedi for acting on hatred, successful or no; the possibility of DSPs to the forceweilding ignoramus once they start down that path.

[Hellcat]

But it could be argued that while it a greater fall from grace for a fully trained Jedi it's also a much easier fall for someone who is untrained. They are much less likely to know there should be a difference and as they don't know the code, they can't fall back on it to maybe help themselves from maybe crossing the line.

The problem with this is the moral dilema. A person, or a PC, with a high set of morals may be more likely to say this is wrong and I shouldn't do it while one with a lower set of morals, or no morals at all, will more easily cross the line without caring.
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[CRMcNeill]

The problem I'm having with this interpretation is that whoever wrote up the idea for DSPs seems to have adopted the Judeo-Christian concept of sin as a result of even errant thoughts, while entirely excluding the concepts of mercy and grace. The idea of guilt and atonement sounds far too Catholic for a Protestant like me.

On top of that, we don't even know if the Dark Side is internal or external, or how a character can resist its call. Is it a Willpower issue? Should there be another skill, such as ZzaphodD's Jedi Lore skill? Does the DSP result from the character's own feelings of guilt over what happened (or what might've happened)? If so, should the Jedi's training and meditation allow him the chance for honest self-analysis and a chance to rationally and logically analyze what part his actions may or may not have played (thereby avoiding the DSP for successfully understanding and suppressing his own negative emotions)?

Too many unanswered questions here...
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