Taking a swim..... in lava.

shootingwomprats · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:58 pm Post subject:

Swimming in lava? No roll, instant death.
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:03 pm Post subject:

I suppose a very high roll on Absorb/Dissipate Energy would be helpful. If nothing else, there might be certain beings or droids that have very high resistance to heat based energy, and thus might actually be capable of surviving a swim in lava.
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:05 pm Post subject:

If you mean literally taking a full-body dunk in molten lava, without any appropriate protection, like a very high-tech enviro-suit, or being from a species adapted to such conditions, or using some Force power to withstand it? This:

garhkal · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject:

Going by the suits of armor in the equipment guide PDF (or through all the actual published materials), what sort of suit do you see as being able to survive in the lava?
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject:

Possibly similiar to the one reqired to survive in a Venus-like environment. Designed specifically for that purpose. Loaded with, quite possibly literal, tons of specialized armor, protective fields, cooling and life support equipment, and power assist to be able to move at all in it's intended environment and with all of the above on it. Simply ridiculously powerfull and completely game-breaking if used for anything other than it's intended purpose.

Best handwaved.
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject:

I recall somewhere a mention of a planetary battle during the Thrawn era where the planet was, in essence, a radioactive lava field, where the Empire deployed Rad-Zone Troopers. I also recall photographs of vulcanologists wearing heat reflective suits that can only be described as being chrome in color. Since Rad-Zone ST armor is also highly reflective, could it be possible that Rad-Zone armor has similar resistance to heat?
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject:

I have no idea about rad-zone troopers.

The real-life vulcanologists, as I understand, need those suits not to die of heat-stroke from just standing near the lava, and they're sweting like pigs inside, anyway. In no way would such a suit protect one if they ware to actually fall in.
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garhkal · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:40 pm Post subject:

IIRc one of those scientists DID fall in (well his legs at least) and still got severely burned even with the suit on.
As to the rad troopers.. Their suits give energy (radiation) protection, but i could see with some tweaks it working also for high heat.
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject:

Yes, I was probably overly dramatic, saying the suit would provide no protection at all if one ware to fall in. It would provide some. Just not enough to survive anything more than a quick dip, and not without severe injury anyway.

Nuclear radiation and heat are not really very similiar, I don't think. What stops one wouldn't do much against the other, unless its simply putting a lot of material in the way.

For surviving lava heat without simply some super heat-resistant material (introducing which would be problematic, as it would make too good an armor against "mundane" blasters and lasers), I'd go with lots and lots of cooling in the suit.
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garhkal · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject:

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garhkal · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject:

Na.. Inferno troopers. Using sooped up flamers!
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Fallon Kell · Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:40 am Post subject:

I've seen video of a man hiking on lava field, whose foot broke through the thin crust and into the lava beneath. He had on thick leather boots, but no further protection to his feet. He suffered some 1st and 2nd degree burns, but no permanent damage was done. I think 8D damage is appropriate. People have a high, possibly artificially inflated opinion of lava, but maybe not enough for things like emplacement blasters and logarithmic scales. An E-Web does a hell of a lot of damage.
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:08 am Post subject:

Cooled, solidified and semi-solidified lava, with a crust on top, is very different from fresh, free flowing/boiling lava. The latter can reach temperatures of around 1000 degrees C. If you tried to approach that at a leisurely walk without protection, you'd probably at least be incapacitated with heat-stroke before you could actually take a dip, especially if it was in an enclosed space.

If anything, people have an arificially deflated opinion of lava, because of the way it's usually presented in movies and games, wherein as long you don't actually touch the lava, you're perfectly safe even standing right next to it, which completely ignores heat convection.

For a full body submersion in fresh, boiling lava, I would not go below 12D for damage. For lava in a state like in the video you cite, and only partial submersions, the damage would of course be lower.
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Fallon Kell · Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:02 am Post subject:

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