Problems with General Grevious lightsaber skill?

[KageRyu]

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[Mamatried]

@ kage.

this boils down to what we all decide is the difficulty for a task.

I am sure joe in australia and you and me have 3 differnt difficulties

Heroci is 35 I belive I am not by the books at the moment.

do we all have the exact same tasks in that range, I find ordinary parachuting to be heroic, I truly belive it is extremely hard...........so I may rate a paradrop more difficult than other may, if paradrop or simialr is not given as exaples.

here is where these extrme skill dice comes in.......


I feel a task should be heroic, other feel it should be "only" difficult.....
I do content crationa dn I stat my villain to match......

Joe read the book and finds these numner way high....and ask how come...
the answer that seems to be something breakingpeople mind or killing them the way they fight is simple........it is how we as players or GM determine how hard a task is ( in the chart) and and when creating content we try balance this to how WE rate things...not the reader.

[pakman]

[Mamatried]

@pakman

I agree it is an usolvable thing I belive.

Solo on Hoth and when he uses the lightsaber untranied is a good example.

I have discussed with both players and GM this scene and some feel that the roll vs moderate is neede to hold and ignite the light saber.
Others felt that it was only when used it you need to go above the moderate difficulty.
others felt that untrained peropel could nit use the weapo at all without some Force point used or similar.
other felt that untranied would have higher difficulte
an yet other felt that only untranied users should suffer full or any difficulty in merely using the weapon.


here is a perfect example of how the moderate difficulty can reasobaly be deemed differnt by different people.

THis again will eventually translate to higher skill dice.

We have the fan write up ( that I currently use) of Shokan, one of several such wrtie ups, and in one the requirements to even lern the form is 7D in lightsaber skill.

Now I am not arguing the reasoning behind this, again I use that system.
But maybe if the jedi/padawan did not suffer moderate difficulty on holding their weapon they would need only a 6D or amybe a 5D in the skill.

so yes I strngly belive that most if not all the stat write ups on NPCS moosk or villains have a lot to do with how the individual crator determines the difficulty of tasks.

[KageRyu]

@Mamatried,
Your basis on assigning difficulty is addressed in the RAW in multiple places, including under most skills with examples of what should be what difficulty. This continues to demonstrate that Yourself and the GM you refer to just do not understand how the system works and are not basing the assigning of difficulties on reasonable criteria as presented in RAW. You really need to stop arguing a system that you do not understand and calling it broken. There may be others here who will still be willing to try to help you better understand the system and answer questions - I have tried, but you keep calling it flawed and using extreme and unreasonable arguments so I am done. I really hate doing this, but you are going on my ignore list now as my patience is exhausted.

This is why:

[DougRed4]

FWIW, I've agreed with everything KageRyu has written, and I think the more you post, Mamatried, it becomes more evident that you just don't understand the basics of the system.

No numbers are "inflated" for PCs. I don't see anything in the rules that suggests that the Difficulty for an NPC should be different from the same task done by a PC.

Common folk of the galaxy don't have to make tough rolls as they live and work, because they are doing mundane things (driving their repulsorcraft to work, for example).

The RAW clearly says "Characters roll their skill dice (or their attribute dice if they haven't improved the skill) whenever they do something important and there's a risk of failure." [emphasis mine]
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[Mamatried]

[DougRed4]

I still think you're misunderstanding things. We don't 'reverse engineer' anything to figure out how hard that trick shot is. If it's TN=20 for one person, it's the same TN for the next guy/gal.

If it's Heroic, and somebody can routinely pull it off, then they've got a really high Blaster Skill.
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[KageRyu]

[Mamatried]

Ok I understand that fan written marerial is not RAW, but they can within the rules, a ship that can no go under water but is FAN statted with under water drive is NOT whitin raw, another ship could be but not That one.

But that is besides the point.

The main topic was basically WHY Grivous Lightsaber skill was so high.
and I refer to the difficulty and how the creator of the book deemed the taske Grivous does often enough without failing and he stats him acordingly.

So if it was blaster and his "panachè" involved quite complxe techniqes then lets say much what the shooter would o would difficult , maybe 18

So he needs to be statted out to be able to roll 18 more than 50% of the time, and becuse we are taling about a villain,\ that is a big challenge here, so with his 6D blaster he rolls 18 often enough but even the palyers tcan start with 6D so lets give this guy a little OMPF........and he had 9D in blaster.
he can still actually roll a failure, but rarely does so.

Now this is why Grivous has so high skills, the fight will invlove narratio of very difficult stuff, to be abe to do this often ebnough to not only rely on wild dice, he is statted high.





As to "boss" I used brackes, as I am sure everyone would consider Grivous more than a mere elite , after all he was in the movie designed to be a challenging opponent, we call this in BRACKETS ...These thigs " text " when we then use the BOSS label on him

As to Agriculture this is a skill in star wars under Knowledge, it does in fact have dice and pips and some thing to roll against....what I do not know I made it as an example.


And again I am not about how difficult going 200 mph in a 90 degree is, or how mny dice some should have.

I am saying that the person that wrote the stats felt that they should be that high. and it would be reasobale to use the difficulty scale as a way to show this.


blaster 2D+1 can never roll 15 ( unless wild dice) so if the villain is very often doing a blaster trick that is 18 difficult then reasonably he is skilled enough to roll this often enough...

and that is why the skill Dice are so high, it is becuse it decided by the person making the scoursebook that those stats was needed/fitted best.

I am not saying he used the difficulty scale I am not debating it, I am not argung g\how many dic a mokk should or should not have.
I am saying that by uding the difficulty scale and dice average you can easily see how the person making the stats could have been thinking.

and I have no issues with any of the stats...they are what they are

[pakman]

Q: The main topic was basically WHY Grievous Lightsaber skill was so high.
A: Because sometimes fan made stats are just silly, and should be ignored.


I think that answers it, really I do.
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[DougRed4]

Sometimes I wish this forum had a 'Like' button, pakman.
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