The Bad Batch [Spoilers Allowed]

[Whill]

[Whill]

[Mamatried]

Havin just seen ep 3 of TBB, I noticed somethin that maybe have to be houseruled later on

When crosshair and the "troopers" was dispatched to onderon.
we saw that with a sniper rifle (at maxmaybe 6D) usually with 5D damage.

he shot through the cockpit, though there would in rules be a matter od scale here.

not sure what a LAAT (as it looked the most like) would be in scale or six\ze rater.

but I would think larger than speeder and that is a +2D

so crosshair would have shot a kill shot at 3D or 2D damage...not too Likely but it is a "movie" and the bad guys shouyld be bad.

However er have a similar occurence in crimson empire, where kir knaons with a heavu balster pistol and not a rifle made the same shot thoguh the cockpit window and killing pilot.

I was wondering if maybe aimed shots, at "weaponits" like a cockoit window, or the view ports of an at.st etc could maybe help lower the size difference.

I can not imagine that if an NPC pulls off such a feat, and it had been done more than once by more than person, then it should maybe be possible for player characters.

what I could think of on the fly was a give and take soulution.



Shooting through cockpit etc.
-Action-
Declare that you spend a full round aiming for the pilot and that you indeed shoot through cockpit glass.

you roll normal skill check at character size
you hit and deal normal damage.

on a military cockpit the glass is armored and as such damage is reduced by 1D.
Most civilian vessels would not have armored cockpits, and thus not have the damage reduced by -1D

[Whill]

You can use existing rules for that. Called shot to shoot through a more vulnerable part of a vehicle (don't forget scale) as protection of a character inside, maybe with result points that add to damage. It is possible (however unlikely) to shoot a character that way with existing rules. Remember, the purpose of the game is to create original stories with original characters that seem like they could take place in the same universe in the films. The game doesn't have to work a simulation of the films in game terms.

And this is a cartoon. What bonus to Perception and Dexterity do you give characters with those giant eyes?
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[Darklighter79]

In this situation:

1) Clone attempt was not to damage the ship but to hit the target inside.
2) Hence, he should not roll against hull code as that represents total durability of a vessel.
3) Rules for cover could be applied.
4) GM selects the STR code for the cover depending on a type (transplasteel, blast door, durasteel, ect.)
5) If DMG > STR the attack goes through (no scale applied).
6) This type of damage has no effect of the total condition of a ship (no damage)
7) Character Points or RoE rules can be applied for additional damage.

This situation in movies:
1) Grievious vs window on a cruiser
2) Luke vs AT-AT's hatch
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[Whill]

Sure, but the vehicle scale should be a factor or transparisteel windows would be a huge weakness for vehicles in such a way that (1) the rules don't intend, and (2) would be unbalancing (which is why 1). I wouldn't recommend any GM radically change the game just because a cartoon did it. And if you must emulate the reality of the cartoons in your game, then for it to be more balancing, don't forget the NPCs should be able to just as easily shoot out PC ship windows.

In the films blaster bolts bounce off windows on vehicles. Making the windows have slightly more vulnerability than the ship and requiring a called shot (at much higher difficulty) takes the skill of the sharpshooter into account, and then treating that slightly more vulnerable window (but still with scale factor) and using the protection rules makes it a little easier to overcome the resistance of the window and make the shot at most or all of the weapon's damage to the character, but it still won't be easy.

My damage rules only slightly tweak protection rules. RAW doesn't have hull breeches for spaceships but my damage rules do. I don't recommend making it easier for a character blaster rifle to shoot through a spaceship window than a spaceship blaster. The difference between character, speeder, and spaceship windows is reflected by scale in RAW.
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[Darklighter79]

Yes, windows on capital ships may be thicker/ more dense, or made of better material, hence, for example:

starfighter window: 4D+
cruiser window: 6D+

but the fact that starfighter has 1 and cruiser has 1000 windows should not be the factor that 6D and 12D are added to the resistance respectively. Window 2x2 meters is the same, regardless where it is installed. The scale modifiers is used only to reflect the differences between small, fragile targets (like characters) and large, tough targets (like Star Destroyers) as a whole.

As for the examples, I can stick with the movies:
Glass and hull plating
Selective attack on Executor

It makes shields even more important.

But dividing each superstructure to small areas and figuring resistance for each of them would be pain in the....and the game dynamics would suffer greatly.
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[MrNexx]

So, let's say you were doing a group of mutant clones, inspired by the Bad Batch.

How would you do their specific mutations?

My inclination would be to give them something similar to the Verpine's +2D to all skills of an attribute... or a group of skills, at least.

For example, Wrecker doesn't work too badly if you assume he's got a 4D strength, 6D Lifting, and +2D to Strength skills (making him a fantastic basher and able to lift incredibly heavy things).

Tech would have a +2D to Tech skills.

Hunter might have a +2D to several perception skills, Crosshair to some Dexterity skills, and Omega to some Knowledge skills, but limited by being a kid.

Any other suggestions for emulating such unique abilities?
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[Whill]

[Mamatried]

Did we just see the "rancor" from ROTJ here?

And it turns out that the bad batch is NOT deserters, as they put it, they are seperated from their unit due to a fundamental difference in ideology

[RyanDarkstar]

[RyanDarkstar]

Things I'm liking from the last three episodes:

Chain codes (nicely discussed in this video)

More locations, namely Pantora and Ord Mantell. I'm a sucker for new environments, especially seedy ones.
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[Telsij]

Agreeing with what Mr. Nexx and Whill have said re: the tone of the show not being intended for children. (At least, not per se. As much as SW overall can be, given the wide popularity among all ages anyway.)

If anything, as with The Mandalorian, that the central BB characters are, in essence, put-upon "parents" learning to deal with his new found family and new responsibilities, makes it pretty clear who the intended audience is. It's not an Original Trilogy Luke-style coming of age story. The child/youthful character is not meant to be the audience surrogate. Like Mando, Hunter and the rest of the BB are.

It's no Rebels or TCW imho, but I have been enjoying Bad Batch. And while I'm still not quite emotionally invested in the BB themselves, they are growing on me, and Crosshair was appropriately sinister, albeit not so of his own doing, etc. And as with Grogu, I am charmed and protective of Omega -- see earlier point re: the older "parent-age / adult" intended audience. And I'm here for the world-building / lore, such as it is, eg: background on chain codes, new locales, etc, and the supporting characters (Cid the Trandoshan infochant, Fennec Shand, etc).

Good thread here thus far!
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[Whill]

RIP Taun We.

So the Nala Se, chief medical scientist of the Kaminoans, was aware of some level of the conspiracy that the Sith controlled the Clone War. In TCW, she and Lama Su reported to Dooku during the war when the incident with the malfunctioning biochip that caused a clone to execute Order 66 early and kill a Jedi. She worked to hide the chip from the Jedi and had no trouble with the Sith order to execute defective clones. She was portrayed as particularly cold and ruthless.

But now Nala Se cares about Omega and wants to keep her safe from Lama Su? She helped Omega and Bad Batch escape Kamino, then secretly hired Fennec Shan to recapture Omega while Lama Su hired Cad Bane to recapture her so that they could extract genetic material from her and terminate her. Why wouldn't they have extracted the material they needed from her in the first 13 years of her life when she lived on Kamino? Does Nala Se want Omega for some purpose contrary to Lama Su's, and for this purpose she is needed alive (at least longer than Lama Su's purpose for her)?
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[Whill]

Anyway, none of that mystery is as important as the bombshell that they dropped in the latest episode: