Fire Control & Speed Factors

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 am Post subject:

So, to clarify, you used the rules from this post, and not the ones I posted here?
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Dr. Bidlo · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:46 am Post subject:

Correct. I got tied up in some things before the game so had not fully prepared by reviewing all the rules before the game. My top priority was getting those Shields rules tested, so I reviewed those first.

In context of this game, the speed rules were not as critical this game , as my players were covering a blockade of a planet where multiple slow freighters with starfighter escorts were trying to get past them to the planet. It was more of a game of the players managing finite resources to stop as many as possible, but when they got to them, they were fairly easy to destroy, disable, or get to surrender.

Speed will be a bigger factor in the next game - the land battle on Mimban. I will also need to review your rules about artillery for that one.

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:53 pm Post subject:

Artillery may need to be updated, since the write-up already includes a Static Bonus for Moving Targets. If you plan to use my rules, the fix would be as simple as substituting the Speed Modifier in place of the Static Bonuses.
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Dr. Bidlo · Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject:

Yes, that it a very simple fix.

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:19 pm Post subject:

I'm thinking I'll go through and add the base modifier from this rule to my stat posts, under Velocity Modifier...
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:55 pm Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:09 am Post subject:

So, an interesting thing...

As mentioned above, I put some time into working on a conversion formula for applying the Speed and Velocity Codes. The approach I took was to apply the environment modifiers to the Speed Code to Move Conversion chart on pg. 165 of the 2E Rulebook (Blue Vader). I started with 1D Walking at the -4D (Move: 3; 10 km/h) and continued in ascending order. When I reached the point where the next level of the Environmental Modifiers would have a value greater than 0D, I added that result, as well. Here's the full chart:

The two takeaways I gained from this is that 1) the Environment Modifiers don't mesh with WEG-assigned speeds for aircraft (they end up in the +10D range for Space craft, and not the +5D Range for Aircraft) and 2) the Space Speeds don't match up with the conversion rates from the Ships In Atmosphere chart on pg. 129 of the 2R&E Rulebook.

I had originally pulled the +2D/+5D/+10D Speed Code Modifiers from the Mini Six game book and just kind of assumed it would automatically mesh with 2R&E, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

So I decided to try a modified chart that removed all of the +1 results (as in, progression would now run 1D, 1D+2, 2D, 2D+2, etc.) in order to make the Space Codes match up at the lower end of the chart. After some tweaking, I also decided to throw out the Space Modifier and fold Aircraft and Spaceships into a single category. Here's what I came up with:

I realize this looks like a jumbled mess, but the upshot is that it allowed me to come up with relatively proportional Speed Codes and modifiers for ground vehicles that allow said ground vehicles to use other Speed Code-based rules (like using thrust to resist tractor beams, or to establish range in a dogfight or chase).

It also provides the baseline for assigning Velocity Modifiers to Characters and Ground Vehicles, as well as generating an alternate version of the Environment Modifiers, specifically +3D to Vehicle and +7D to Flying/Space.

Anyway, that's what I wasted my day on. Hopefully it turns out to be useful for something...
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Dr. Bidlo · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:40 am Post subject:

I spent a full day noodling over these very same items and it was very frustrating but I did end up with something and saved in for future reference. I'll have to see how your end results match up with mine. There are worse ways to spend a day than exercising your mind!

EDIT: After reviewing more, your analysis was much deeper than mine!

CRMcNeill · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:50 am Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:15 am Post subject:

Okay, here's the combined chart I'm using to generate both Speed Codes for Ground Vehicles and Velocity Modifiers for everything. The three different Speed / Velocity levels are Walk (+0D), Surface (+6D/3D) and Flight (+14D/7D)

2E Move (Space Units) = Speed Code (Velocity Modifier)

EDIT: So, the differences in "Speed Scales" end up being thusly:

That's mainly in the unlikely event you'd ever have a contest of speed or a dog fight between a Walker / Surface / Flying vehicle (unlikely, but I included it just in case).The "Velocity Scales" are potentially more useful, in that they would better represent how the different Speed Classes affect accuracy. A character trying to shoot at a starfighter or airspeeder, for example, would suffer a -7D penalty; a surface vehicle, on the other hand, would have a slightly better chance, but still suffer -4D.

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CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:30 am Post subject:

While this does give me the baseline to update the vehicle stats, I've noticed as I start to go through them that some vehicles are in need of an update to some of my other house rules (like the Command Difficulty Modifier). As such, I think I'm going to finish updating the Capital Ship and Bulk Transport sections, then come back and work on the ground vehicles.
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:50 pm Post subject:

Okay, I've added Velocity Modifiers to all starfighters, space transports and capital ships. Since that was the easy part (and because Bidlo is running a capital ship campaign), I figured I'd get that out of the way before I got to work on ground vehicles.
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Dr. Bidlo · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:18 pm Post subject:

Thank you so much for your work on this - it will be of great use.

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:09 am Post subject:

Just realized I had forgotten to add the expanded Speed Code / Velocity Modifier table to the original rule post, so I went ahead and compiled the two to reflect the updated math.
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