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Naaman
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| MrNexx wrote: | | Naaman wrote: | If we are dealing with submersible craft, why would we need anything extra? Why wouldnt the base and ships be either:
1) engineered to operate at the desired depth of the base to be constructed or,
2) just avoid descending below crush-depth, whatever that may be for the particular ships operating out of that base? |
Because they'd need contingencies for when they're dealing with non-submersible craft? Like, if a light freighter full of mercenaries is coming in, they need a way to bring them in. I think a tractor beam is a good solution, perhaps combined with some instructions in HOW to tune your own shields to aid/not interfere with the tractor beam. |
Perhaps so... I might have a park and ride set up on the surface in such cases.
If we are not talking about a secret base, what about having a tunnel or tube builtt that is pressurized and opens up above the surface and thf ship can just fly through that... o evenjust park on a platform and be conveyed to the station's docking bay....?
If we ARE talking about a secret base, seems more wise to just restrict access only craft specifically deaigned to operate at depth. |
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Or perhaps the submersible equivalent of a modern floating drydock, combined with something like the Shieldship from Heir to the Empire. The incoming ship lands on the dock on the surface, is then enclosed in a Prexton double-field generator to protect it, and the drydock submerges and carries the ship down to the base.
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ForbinProject
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| Naaman wrote: | If we are dealing with submersible craft, why would we need anything extra? Why wouldnt the base and ships be either:
1) engineered to operate at the desired depth of the base to be constructed or,
2) just avoid descending below crush-depth, whatever that may be for the particular ships operating out of that base? |
The base was formerly a deep sea mining facility located at the bottom (roughly 11,000 meters) of a trench and the facility is built deep into the wall of the trench. The extreme depth and mineral content of the trench walls make the base invisible to sensors.
The base was established to get rare minerals only found at the bottom of the trench near hydrothermal vents. Those same vents also provide the base with unlimited power to run things.
Eventually the parent company found another source for the same minerals that were easier to mine and shut down and abandoned the facility.
Years later a slicer discovered references to the forgotten base, verified it's existence and location, erased all the files about it except for the copy he sold to an interested party. |
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If we're going to be talking about "gravity well projectors" then we must remember how gravity works: Gravity is an attractive force, meaning that it can only pull, it can't push. So the idea of using GWPs to push against something is so ludicrous that it even violates Star Wars verisimilitude.
Just my two cents.
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Naaman
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So at the time the base was built, are trying to work out how it moved craft then? Or are you looking at this new company installing something to accommodate various kinds of craft?
CRM's idea seems quite good, too: a saucer with something like one of those gungan bubbles on it.
Another possibility could be to have a cave/tunnel bored out through the ground at the surface somewhere inland) that leads to the "back" of the base.
Anyway, just some ideas if the feasability of the techie sci-fi physics isn't quite gelling for you. |
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CRMcNeill
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What he's talking about is using amphibious (multi-environment) starships like the MonCal Deepwater-Class, which has a maximum depth of 1,000 meters. If this station is 11,000 meters down (and for comparative purposes, the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench - the deepest ocean depth on Earth - is 10,994 meters), the Deepwater and similar ships would need assistance to descend the remaining 10,000 meters.
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| Sutehp wrote: | If we're going to be talking about "gravity well projectors" then we must remember how gravity works: Gravity is an attractive force, meaning that it can only pull, it can't push. So the idea of using GWPs to push against something is so ludicrous that it even violates Star Wars verisimilitude.
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And as I said before that was why I was asking. The X-Wing books contradict that. In either Iron Fist or Solo Command an Interdictor uses it's gravity well projectors to push themselves away instead of pulling.
I prefer the tractor beam idea better because of the smaller energy footprint, and they are easier to get and maintain than a GWP. |
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| ForbinProject wrote: | | Sutehp wrote: | If we're going to be talking about "gravity well projectors" then we must remember how gravity works: Gravity is an attractive force, meaning that it can only pull, it can't push. So the idea of using GWPs to push against something is so ludicrous that it even violates Star Wars verisimilitude.
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And as I said before that was why I was asking. The X-Wing books contradict that. In either Iron Fist or Solo Command an Interdictor uses it's gravity well projectors to push themselves away instead of pulling.
I prefer the tractor beam idea better because of the smaller energy footprint, and they are easier to get and maintain than a GWP. |
I never got to Solo Command nor Iron Fist, though I did enjoy the earlier X-Wing books. I imagine that if I read that crap about gravity being used to push off things, I would have thrown the book across the room. At least, that would be my reaction now, since I know better now how gravity works.
And yes, it seems from the discussion on this thread, I agree that a tractor beam seems the more efficient tool for what is desired than a GWP.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Or perhaps the submersible equivalent of a modern floating drydock, combined with something like the Shieldship from Heir to the Empire. The incoming ship lands on the dock on the surface, is then enclosed in a Prexton double-field generator to protect it, and the drydock submerges and carries the ship down to the base. |
That has potential, A good way to bring in ships that can't submerge on their own, while still maintaining the bases inaccessibility to conventional forces. |
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I'm more inclined to accept that gravity manipulation technology in the SWU indicates that they have a much greater understanding of gravity than we do, so the idea of an "anti-gravity well projector" doesn't offend my sensibilities to the point where I feel the need to throw things. I just think tractor beams are a better fit.
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Well a Gravity well projector in reverse mode could indeed move a relatively small volume of water (we are talking about an ocean) it would not be enough to say keep the whole thing at bay, it could in theory displace perhaps a few million tons of water but that would really barely dent the surface.
Now a large pond or small lake that might be doable. It would depend on the volume of water to be displaced.
Most oceans measure volumes in the Billions or much higher units.
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Solatarye
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Now if your looking to Siphon off water A pair of tractor beams is what you want, The first beam lifts the water at the weight ratio it can handle 1 cu ft water is 65 Lbs American.
The second tractor beam pulls the water out of the first beam and effectively directs it to a container or where ever. the second beam should be in reverse this is know as a Pressor beam btw. |
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| ForbinProject wrote: | | CRMcNeill wrote: | | Or perhaps the submersible equivalent of a modern floating drydock, combined with something like the Shieldship from Heir to the Empire. The incoming ship lands on the dock on the surface, is then enclosed in a Prexton double-field generator to protect it, and the drydock submerges and carries the ship down to the base. |
That has potential, A good way to bring in ships that can't submerge on their own, while still maintaining the bases inaccessibility to conventional forces. |
Or like that ocean Prison we saw in Capt America Civil war.. It stays in the ocean, but pops up and opens up to allow ships to enter..
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