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Inquisitor1138
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| Dr. Bidlo wrote: | I created a top view of the Lone Scout-A by stitching bits and pieces from an existing TIE fighter and TIE bomber tokens. I scaled it per the rules at 24 meters and it looked... not right at all. I rescaled it at 14 meters per CRMcNeill's suggestion, so you can see it here with a TIE fighter, TIE bomber, and YT-1300 for comparison at the link below:
https://imgur.com/a/zJx07f4
The cockpit of the Lone Scout-A at 24 meters is completely out of scale and all the other comments from this thread are true. At 14 meters, it all fall into place and looks reasonable. |
Great size chart! Thanks for sharing!
It does make me want to make a few myself! 
When i get a new pc, i think i'll make a chart that includes the source-lore-accurate image http://starwars.timba.biz/tervrajz/sfs/tie_lsa/LSA-2.gif & my 2 suggestions & CRMcNeill's suggestion, & throw in both the RAW WEG Falcon & its revised scale.
In my humble opinion, the pretty 3d art made for the CCG is inaccurate, and should not supersede the information in the source material. It is one artist's best guess, that no-one has questioned until this article/thread & the ortho the OP had found. The fact that the 3d was reproduced by both official & fan artists, neither make that assumption more accurate nor more official.
It is my view the linked ortho is accurate, and the CCG art is not.
My decision to embrace both representations & fix the lore for my headcanon, is a choice.
Players & GMs, as always, are free to do whatever they want. |
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Dr. Bidlo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly, I chose another controversial ship to use for size comparison with the YT-1300. So, I have also added CRMcNeill's revised length for the YT-1300 to the comparison image.
https://imgur.com/a/LaKcx7R |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Bidlo wrote: | Interestingly, I chose another controversial ship to use for size comparison with the YT-1300. So, I have also added CRMcNeill's revised length for the YT-1300 to the comparison image.
https://imgur.com/a/LaKcx7R |
Nice!
"This size chart! I Like It!! AANOTHERRR!!!" |
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Dr. Bidlo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Inquisitor1138 wrote: | | Dr. Bidlo wrote: | Interestingly, I chose another controversial ship to use for size comparison with the YT-1300. So, I have also added CRMcNeill's revised length for the YT-1300 to the comparison image.
https://imgur.com/a/LaKcx7R |
Nice!
"This size chart! I Like It!! AANOTHERRR!!!" |
What else would you like to see? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Bidlo wrote: | | Inquisitor1138 wrote: | | "This size chart! I Like It!! AANOTHERRR!!!" |
What else would you like to see? |
I was thinking, copy the 14m Lone Scout, then copy & paste until you have the 2nd 14m Lone Scout stretched out to 24m, but keeping the width the same.
Cool? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I can do they when I get a bit more time. This will be the version that looks like it got caught in the printer when the paper real was roling. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Bidlo wrote: | | Yeah I can do they when I get a bit more time. This will be the version that looks like it got caught in the printer when the paper real was roling. |
Fair enough! Thank you! |
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Honestly, I'd like to see a much smaller version, where the TIE cockpit is standard sized, but with a tail section bulked out for crew quarters for long range/duration missions. It's always bothered me a little that the Lone Scout was so much larger in scale, but still had that TIE standard look.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Honestly, I'd like to see a much smaller version, where the TIE cockpit is standard sized, but with a tail section bulked out for crew quarters for long range/duration missions. It's always bothered me a little that the Lone Scout was so much larger in scale, but still had that TIE standard look. |
I am really, really, really liking the ortho Mikael Hasselstein found!
http://starwars.timba.biz/tervrajz/sfs/tie_lsa/LSA-2.gif
This makes so much more sense, IMHHO, than the TCG art which looks pretty but doesn't add up right...
The only major change i'd make to this ortho is to move the wing panels back; this gives the pilot a vastly improve field of vision, and protects the tail better. |
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Dr. Bidlo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Honestly, I'd like to see a much smaller version, where the TIE cockpit is standard sized, but with a tail section bulked out for crew quarters for long range/duration missions. It's always bothered me a little that the Lone Scout was so much larger in scale, but still had that TIE standard look. |
You would like to see a revised version as described above, but still 14 meters in length per your rules or the original 24 meters
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| Dr. Bidlo wrote: | | You would like to see a revised version as described above, but still 14 meters in length per your rules or the original 24 meters |
No, I want to see a revised version that is only ~8 meters long (as in, slightly longer than a TIE Bomber), with passenger and cargo capacity reduced to fit. That way, it's basically a standard TIE cockpit, but configured for long range scouting, surveillance, or courier (in a pinch: couriers are supposed to be fast, after all) missions, while still being able to fit into the allocated deck space of a TIE-sized platform.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Dr. Bidlo wrote: | | You would like to see a revised version as described above, but still 14 meters in length per your rules or the original 24 meters |
No, I want to see a revised version that is only ~8 meters long (as in, slightly longer than a TIE Bomber), with passenger and cargo capacity reduced to fit. That way, it's basically a standard TIE cockpit, but configured for long range scouting, surveillance, or courier (in a pinch: couriers are supposed to be fast, after all) missions, while still being able to fit into the allocated deck space of a TIE-sized platform. |
You are well within your rights to create a new TIE variant that fits your criteria & headcanon; such a topic is deserving of its own dedicated thread.
As per my earlier posts, i believe the Lone Scout A was intended as being close to most TIE models in width & height, but with a taller hull that was extended lengthwise like a Winnebago. This gives plenty of room for a pilot & optional crew/passengers/specialists to live, work, walk around & exercise.
More cargo room for gear & consumables. This is better suited to its intended role. |
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Actually, the more I think about it, the LoneScout doesn't fit into the larger picture of Seinar products. They only upsize TIEs to a certain point (and the larger ones tend to have a different cockpit, ala the Scimitar Assault Bomber), beyond which everything shifts over to Lambda Shuttle-style platforms (Cygnus Spaceworks is a subsidiary of Seinar, after all). Thus, something with the mission profile of the super-sized or stretched LoneScout would be filled by something like the Mu-3 (GG8: Scouts, pg. 37).
As such, I've come to the conclusion that the official size stats for the LoneScout are the result of WEG arbitrary number generation the ultimately proves incorrect, as has been the case for so many other things. The ship just makes more sense if it's downsized to something with roughly the same footprint (albeit on the larger end) for something like a TIE Bomber. A ship like this would be able to provide a long range scout / recon capability for ships with limited hangar space (as in, not enough to accommodate a larger Lambda-style platform, or unable to do so without offloading too much of their own organic complement).
At the moment, I'm picturing two versions: one military with improved weaponry, and a civilian version that's less heavily armed, but with more transport capacity and range.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | Actually, the more I think about it, the LoneScout doesn't fit into the larger picture of Seinar products. They only upsize TIEs to a certain point (and the larger ones tend to have a different cockpit, ala the Scimitar Assault Bomber), beyond which everything shifts over to Lambda Shuttle-style platforms (Cygnus Spaceworks is a subsidiary of Seinar, after all). Thus, something with the mission profile of the super-sized or stretched LoneScout would be filled by something like the Mu-3 (GG8: Scouts, pg. 37).
As such, I've come to the conclusion that the official size stats for the LoneScout are the result of WEG arbitrary number generation the ultimately proves incorrect, as has been the case for so many other things. The ship just makes more sense if it's downsized to something with roughly the same footprint (albeit on the larger end) for something like a TIE Bomber. A ship like this would be able to provide a long range scout / recon capability for ships with limited hangar space (as in, not enough to accommodate a larger Lambda-style platform, or unable to do so without offloading too much of their own organic complement).
At the moment, I'm picturing two versions: one military with improved weaponry, and a civilian version that's less heavily armed, but with more transport capacity and range. |
To me, it doesn't violate the TIE design lineage, in part because it predates it, second its fore & aft profile is close to the standard TIE & most variants.
It was in Republic & general use before the Clone Wars; post-CW criteria shouldn't apply, but when i do apply it, it still holds up in my opinion.
You don't like the Lone Scout; fine. Don't use it; design & use what fits your sensibilities.
We are clearly of different minds on this. There is no point in arguing.
With regard to the points that i do agree with to varying degrees, i have made characters that used modified TIE Shuttles as their main craft, but they were not scouts. |
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I completed the concepts of the revised Lone Scouts - one version keeping the same cockpit as a standard TIE with a length of 7.8 meters and that version stretched out to 24 meters. The 24 meter version looks the image was captured the moment it jumped to hyperspace.
https://imgur.com/a/o53Fh7e
After all the variations, I think I like the 7.8 meter version as the TIE/sr, as an entirely separate from the Lone Scout A at 14 meters. |
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