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Esoomian High Admiral
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 6207 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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hisham wrote: | Especially in Alien Resurrection, where 1) They had the aliens on hand for study 2) Those aliens can also spit acid, thus negating the skin defense mechanism argument.
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I always thought that spitting acid made no sense, after all why kill a xenomorph to escape if you could all just spit acid and achieve the same thing?
Friends of mine used xenoporphs quite extensively in a roleplaying game. It was ruled, in that game that they were almost biological robots. Their acid blood made them essentally batteries... It got quite overpowered, quite quickly from then on. _________________ Don't waste money on expensive binoculars.
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DarthMortis Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 124 Location: Moorhead
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Anyway back on topic if you search older threads here on the pit you'll find quite a few crossover threads. I recall one had a Jedi needing to borrow a blaster pistol because a lightsaber is the wrong weapon to use on something that bleeds acid (which always had me wondering how acid clots or why xenomorphs don't bleed to death) |
Quote: | The energy blade cauterized the wound as it passed, and thus even a severe wound did not tend to bleed heavily. A notable exception was Ponda Baba, whose arm was cut off by Obi-Wan Kenobi in Chalmun's Cantina. It may have bled because of Baba's alien physiology. | Taken from Wookieepedia
So, it seems more likely to me that a lightsaber would have been a perfect weapon to use against something that bleeds acid. _________________ "I believe the Jedi are weak so they give up their emotions. I believe the Sith are weak so they give up to their emotions. I lay somewhere in the middle, not afraid to keep my emotions, but afraid to lose myself in them." - Daroth Mortanis |
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Ankhanu Vice Admiral
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 3089 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that "acid" is a descriptor term, it's not something in and of itself... other than saying that there is a relatively higher proportion of H+ ions than OH- ions in solution. With that in mind, our own blood is weakly alkaline (pH ~7.4)... one might then say "how can a base clot??"
The answer is that it has nothing to do with acidity, but rather the other things in the blood. I sincerely doubt that a xenomorph's blood is pure, say, hydrochloric acid than our own blood is pure saline; there are all kinds of different components present. As such, their acidic blood would probably clot much the same way ours does... but with different proteins evolved to function at extremely low pH.
So, with that idea, chances are their wounds would cauterize in much the same way as other biologicals, and a lightsaber would still be safe to use.
However, with the skin layer acid idea, you'd still be in trouble, as it would be a more homogenous chemical acid, more akin to stomach acid, rather than a complex menagerie of components, as in blood. Chances are in that idea, acid splatter would occur with any puncture that failed to fuse the top layer with the one beneath the acid layer... which would be all but any rather strange circumstance (including a lightsaber).
Personally, I'm not a big fan of crossover material, though, with adaptations they can work. Xenomorphs, in particular, can work quite well in a Star Wars setting with very little change; their animalistic non-sapient nature works as a great plot device or driving feature, kind of like a rancor... they're dangerous and must be all out avoided or destroyed. Imagine having to clear out a hive from an asteroid mining colony or space station... that's an adventure right there.
Predators are a little more difficult to integrate into Star Wars, imo. Their technology doesn't mesh with the rest of the setting. However, if you make them a fringe/outer rim species with limited space tech, and adapt the weaponry to fit more in line with the rest of the galaxy, they can work as a hunter culture species fairly well... but having them roaming the greater galaxy seems somewhat silly, and their impact upon galactic civilization would be great. They may even be the subject of an Imperial purge, becoming the hunted rather than the hunter.
That said, I think there are already enough species IN the Star Wars setting to cover that sort of role that adding another is unnecessary.
In general, crossovers are fanboy wet dreams, and likewise, end up being messy and unfulfilling. _________________ Hotaru no Hishou; a messageboard about games, friends and nothing at all.
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DarthMortis Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 124 Location: Moorhead
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ankhanu wrote: |
In general, crossovers are fanboy wet dreams, and likewise, end up being messy and unfulfilling. |
Fulfilling fantasies are what RolePlaying Games are all about, so I don't see why, if done correctly, they wouldn't be fulfilling. _________________ "I believe the Jedi are weak so they give up their emotions. I believe the Sith are weak so they give up to their emotions. I lay somewhere in the middle, not afraid to keep my emotions, but afraid to lose myself in them." - Daroth Mortanis |
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Ankhanu Vice Admiral
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, if done correctly, they can work and be fulfilling...
My point is that the all important part of "done correctly" is lacking in the vast majority of cases. Hence the use of "generally" _________________ Hotaru no Hishou; a messageboard about games, friends and nothing at all.
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DarthMortis Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Lol alright sorry I misunderstood what you meant. _________________ "I believe the Jedi are weak so they give up their emotions. I believe the Sith are weak so they give up to their emotions. I lay somewhere in the middle, not afraid to keep my emotions, but afraid to lose myself in them." - Daroth Mortanis |
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Hexx Cadet
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle Wa
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:11 am Post subject: |
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I used the Xenomorphs in a campaign, the Pc's had a high mortality rate, but hey, they are a Horror Scifi creature. They spray acid when hurt, run up walls, see in the dark, breed by kidnapping people and exposing the victims to face huggers. What's not for the lucky GM to love?
I also used Stargates during a CloneWars game. Very fulfilling for the players, who were all Jedi. It was a very good way to keep them from overpowering the game, they were trying to gain control of the Gate network before Grievous. Palpatine was very greatful. |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14215 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I used the Xenomorphs in a campaign, the Pc's had a high mortality rate, but hey, they are a Horror Scifi creature. They spray acid when hurt, run up walls, see in the dark, breed by kidnapping people and exposing the victims to face huggers. What's not for the lucky GM to love? |
For those few pc's who did get captured, was there an checks they could make to avoid getting impregnated? _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Anakin Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 129 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Aliens/predators/stargate crossover campaigns |
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mastereji wrote: | I was just wondering if anyone else has run a crossover campaign that included aliens/predators/stargates and if so some comments on how they ran? Did the Empire control all the stargates? Use the aliens as nasty pawns? Or hire the predators as bounty hunters? |
I've used Protoss once. They're quite hardcore I converted their psi blades to plasma enshrouded vibros and mechanized armors that adds to the users Str. The damage was Str+5D
I also let one of the players play a megalomaniac high templar, and made complete rules for "psionic shockwave" and "psionic storm"... |
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