Force Powers from the newer movies and games

masque · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:13 am Post subject:

Well, he could have split the action, but as I referenced before, he does have 2 DSP's by the Battle of Hoth, so both could be that. I think at that point, however, the other one is from the cave on Dagobah.
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Pel · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

It's also entirely possible that Luke had a few more DSPs we don't know about that he managed to atone for. He redeemed himself twice that we know of (ROJ & Dark Empire) so he definitely has more than a casual acquaintance with the Dark Side. That plus his family history makes me think he might have hidden a few from us between movies.
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masque · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

We have books that show what he was doing between movies (Splinter of the Mind's Eye and Shadows of the Empire), and Luke is THE major hero of the series. Luke being tempted by the Dark Side is a big deal, and while I agree that he does have a more than passing familiarity with it, that he's picking them up and dropping them off-screen or between books seems unnecessary, particularly since those events are precisely the things that the stories tend to be about.

Of course, now we're delving into a metaphysical realm of what fictional characters do between stories. While that line of inquiry could be interesting, I get the feeling it's off-topic here.
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darthomer09 · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject:

If you go into the novels as well, don't forget his training under C'boath and definetely not his time completely under the dark side with the resurected emperor.
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masque · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I know about those, which is the reason I said that those times he's been tested are chronicled. I don't recall him actually doing anything specifically DSP worthy with C'Baoth, though I could be forgetting something. I was specifically referencing the movie timeline originally, though.
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Pel · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

I'd forgotten about C'baoth. By that time Luke definitely knew the difference between Light and Dark so I doubt he incurred any DSPs there. He'd already teetered on the brink above Endor, thus he knew how to resist the temptation.

I referred to the period between ANH and ROJ, when Luke was definitely vulnerable to the Dark Side due to incomplete training. Who's to say he didn't work in another DSP or two during that time and then atone? Granted the period is increasingly well-documented, but there are still sizable gaps that an enterprising GM might take artistic license with.
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Chandra Mindarass · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject:

Wasn't Luke calling upon the dark side, when Vader found out about Leia. I think that's what made the Emperor so mad. Luke had given in to his anger, but had the mind to pull himself back and remain on the light side. This could be the second one, with the Gamorreans being the first DSP.
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masque · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

Yeah, when he finally grew a pair and chopped Vader's hand off, that's my guess for the other point as well..
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Orgaloth · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:

I always thought that the effect he used on the Gamoreans was more of an effect mind power. The hand gesture is closer to that then to the Choke one, and it would be a pretty basic thing to effect the Gamoreans.
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masque · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:

I was trying to find my copy of the novelization of ROTJ to settle that, but I can't seem to find it. Personally, I think it's obvious that he was choking them, what's open-ended is whether he did it long enough to kill them, or just to make them pass out. If someone can dig up a copy, I'm betting it'll go into it.
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garhkal · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:39 am Post subject:

Pel · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

Whatever Luke used on the Gamorreans was strictly meant as a warning so they'd back off. Fortunately they were smart enough to let him pass.
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masque · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

It was a direct attack, however, and from what I remember, they didn't back up, they collapsed against the wall. It's left open as to whether they are unconscious or dead. Either way, it was an unnecessary use of force (and Force, 8) ), and I'm thinking that incident is the source for at least one of the 2 DSPs he has at Endor. The fight with Vader might earn him another one, but I don't know if that's what they are referring to. I think his time in the cave on Dagobah might be the other one, if the Vader fight is not included, as he botched his frightcheck in there. Razz

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Pel · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

The case is pretty much airtight for DSP, especially if we disregard the flagrant Force use in those, *ahem* other movies. Laughing

Okay, silly question: If Luke had chosen to toss the Gamorreans against the wall with a gratuitous Force Shove (more forceful than Push) and similarly rendered them unconscious, would that earn a nice shiny DSP?
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garhkal · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:37 am Post subject:

IMO... heck yea.
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