What about stress ?

[naash]

Juste returning to SW D6 since so many years...

Is there any rules to manage stress during combats or stressful situations ?
I dig in willpower rules but looks like it is not really for combat situation.
Am I wrong ?

[Whill]

[garhkal]

IIRC the recently done medical sourcebook has info on stress and relief.
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[Mamatried]

use Stamina?

Stamina is often used vs environemt and such I can also se it being used for exhaustion.

Any map should give the difficulty.

Map +1D makes the threshold a +1 to difficulty
Map +2D gives a +2 to the difficulty.

A very easy exchaustion check with a MAP +2d is no longer a 3-5 difficulty but is a 5-7 diffculty.....

Or something like this.

Then we can give it some strain from duration of normal non MAP actions.

Trooper TB 456 have been shooting his gun for 3 rounds, he has a 3D
strenght, in his next round he can either shoot with a +1 difficulty for the next 3 rounds, or he can roll a moderate unmodified Stamina check.

If he shoots non stop for 4 rounds, he gets a +1 to his difficulty, and can either shoot at a skill MINUS -1 pip, or roll stamina with a +1 to his TN

[CRMcNeill]

[garhkal]

[CRMcNeill]

[garhkal]

Tell that to all those suffering PTSD.
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[garhkal]

True, but PTSD and similar mental issues, shouldn't just be totally ignored, because its a game.
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[naash]

Thanks mates

I was talking about combat stress.
How being shot at should interfere with PCs ?

I'm thinking of a system :
- +1 stress point each time someone shoot at you (+ if the weapon has a higher ROF)
- -1 stress if nobody shot at you during the round
- when the number of stress point reaches your PER : you have to test your willpower

If you succeed : you act normally and stress point are relieved
If you fail, you get a -1D until the end of fight

You could have to test several times in a fight if everyone wants to shoot at you...

What do you think ?

[pakman]

Missed this thread - life gets busy.

Lot of great stuff in here .... I wanted to create something simple, with a few checks here and there ....but not too much....this was the result...(been in play testing two+ years).


TLDR VERSION:
Character accumulate points of Stress for challenging physical or mental actions, each time this happens, they make a Stamina roll to see if it effects them. If they pass - the keep the accumulated Stress, and don't make another check until they gain more Stress.

If they fail - they get a pip of Fatigue, every 3 pips of Fatigue is a -1D penalty to all actions.

Get enough Fatigue - you are Exhausted and have to make checks or pass out.
1 hour of rest clears out all stress, and 1 pip of fatigue.

LONGER VERSION: Stress

Yes, have a system for fatigue and stress - developed it for two reasons;
1 - a better system for exhaustion, including more contributing factors(combat, encumbrance etc.).
2 - as way to balance force powers, especially in those eras of play where where the need to hide from the empire is not a natural check on force powers (clone wars, new republic, high republic, old republic etc.).

Stress, Fatigue and Exhaustion
From my glossary

Stress: Representing physical and/or mental strain – an
accumulating value requiring Stamina checks to avoid Fatigue

Fatigue: A measure of physical and mental exhaustion, each 3
pips of Fatigue result in a -1D condition penalty,

Exhausted: Condition –accumulated Fatigue has reached the
character’s Stamina Die Code, and they must take regular
Fortitude Checks from collapsing and passing out

How this works
Stress and Fatigue: Stress is gained from physical and mental strain (combat, exertion, being healed, etc.). A Stamina Save is required each time Stress is gained, the Difficulty level* being the Stress value.
On Success there is no effect until Stress increases again.
On a Failure, Stress is cleared, but gain one Pip of Fatigue.
Each Full die of Fatigue is a penalty to all Actions.
When Fatigue reaches the character’s Stamina Die code, they must make a
Fortitude Save every minute or pass out.

* In my house rules, I have given each Difficulty Level a number - Very Easy is Difficulty level 1, Easy is Difficulty level 2 etc.
This makes it simple to quantify different rules results in terms of a difficulty level, or in shifting a difficulty level - when a rule says "for every X, it is one difficulty level " in this case for 2 points of Stress - that is DL2: Easy check.

* Save : I define a save as a attribute or skill check that is not affected by condition penalties or multiple action penalties - resisting damage is a Save by that definition. I just call things a "check" or "save" in my house rules, so I don't have to type "not modified by condition or action penalties..." every time.

How a Character Accumulates Stress and Fatigue

Combat - 1 point of stress for each minute, or portion theroff.
Hike - 1 point of stress for every 30 min, modified by terrain.
Evening of carousing and gambling - multiple points.
Being healed with a medpack or forcepower - 1 point of Stress.
Healing someone with a force power - 1 point of Stress.
Failing to make a Force Power - 1 point of Stress.
Concentration based powers - 1 point of Stress per min.
Some powerful force powers - 1 point of Stress to just use.
Overencumbered - 1 point of stress per 30 min of activity.
Some special weapon keywords (A BULKY 2H melee weapon, generates 1 stress per round if used, for example).

Various athletics skills, etc - also give Stress etc.

Recovery
Resting for 1 hour - clears all stress and 1 pip of fatigue.

Stimulants (drugs), roleplaying events, and other activities (I have some social sklls that can give bonuses - adds more value to non-combat type characters) can also remove stress etc.

How this has worked in actual play
Is this perfect? No.

We have been playing with it for about 2 years - and it has gone over some tweaks here and there. Overall it works really well for what for what it was intended ....except for one observation....

One observation -
The biggest challenge is one common with a lot of game systems - depending on how busy the party is - the draining of temporary resources may not matter much.

Sure, for those scenarios where stranded in the desert, of having a very long run and gun battle- it adds a lot.
But overall - the party is usually only in one combat per day (game time) or maybe, two (again your campaign can vary) - so even if the characters are exhausted after a long battle or story event - usually - they can rest before the next encounter (again, usually - not all the time - your adventure may vary).

So I have found that while the players are .....aware of it and it does affect some a some choices here and there ... overall it does not have a huge impact on play.

But then again - maybe that means it is right where it needs to be.
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[naash]

Thanks for sharing.

Your houserule is simple stupid,and it's exactly what I'm looking for.

I might just Split it in 2 caracteristics:
- fatigue /exhaustion : due to physical efforts
- stress / résilience: due to being in danger, or in a difficult situation

I like the pip penalty : it's far less brutal than minus dice.

Thanks again !

[pakman]

Awesome - glad you like it!
Honestly it was a LOT of work to come up with something that had some depth, but was not too complex. I got a lot of inspiration from all the other folks here on the pit regarding how to make good quality house rules.

Physical and Mental
You could make them the same - just change the stat the roll to resist it is based on - physical is resisted with Stamina, and mental is resisted with willpower.

Either way, happy it may have some useful elements.

Side note - I had to rework the Force Powers on resisting Fatigue - otherwise they made this system pretty useless.

I changed it to Suppress Fatigue, Concentration, and it reduces fatigue penalties by 1D +1 extra pip for each difficulty level the character rolls above very easy.

So, combined with the concentration bonus - they have to roll well - and it only lasts while Concentrating....
(I reworked every single force skill for balance and consistency - they are all a single skill check to activate).

But that.....is another topic....
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[naash]

Physical and mental : that's exactly what I intend to do.

Regarding the Force, I play with non sensitive caracters so I don't have to care about this.

Thanks again for sharing.