What do you not like about WEG 2nd Edition R&E?

[worfbacca]

For me..

Once characters hit the 6D to 8D skill level nothing seems to be a challenge.
Grevious has to have something like 20D in lightsaber skill to be a threat as he is shown in the films to the Jedi.
Clone troopers killing Jedi during order 66? Unlikely using WEG core rules..
Actions in rounds take so dang long!
Force powers that take multiple actions..
Character Points are used for buffs and upgrades
Wookiee getting shot by blasters and shrugging it off
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[DB 2.0]

at least in combat 8D+ is where things get interesting with multiple extra actions being doable.

[garhkal]

[pakman]

Modeling things we see in movies
Well, we can not really judge too much based on movies.
Heroes and villains have plot armor and super abilities - until the story says they no longer do. We can't always judge them for games.

This thread
First of all - I am not sure this thread is a productive one - unless we are going to use it as a discussion regarding house rules or productive points for dealing with perceived deficits in the system. I mean, this is a forum about a game that people love -

That and - well - to be honest, this topic can be a bit ....contentious ... as at times it seems some folks get very passionate about our beloved d6 game.

Don't get me wrong, I loved my days playing d6 in the mid to late 90s, and heck, even after that. I am even playing it today (well, last friday...) - but even I recognize that some of my fondness for the past is based upon either nostalgia, or fondness for the enjoyment had with friends, and not necessarily with the mechanics of said system.

I mean - many folks objectively do find deficiencies - hence the very robust house rules here on the pit.


House Rules - a Positive View on things to Change
Now, for a positive spin on things, here are some of the changes I am doing in my game, for my house rules.....

* Attributes and Skills: I have tweaked min a bit, more in line with later versions of D6 (mine are from d6 adventure) as I felt that Mech, Tech and Strength did not fit my vision. On skills - like many others - I reduced mine - from over 100, to 48.

* Scales: All over the place in D6- awesome idea, some wonky implementation - like many others, I redid my scales.

* Terminology: So, am I stunned, or am I stunned from stun damage? What? Is it really difficult, or a Moderate Difficulty? I cleaned up a lot of terms (Shaken is my term for the condition Stun), and generally codified a lot of terminology, to make referring to them a lot easier, and it enables consistency in things.

* The Force: Oh boy. Tons of house rules and options out there. I went with a Force Attribute, with Control, Sense and Alter skills under it.

* Force Powers: Many of them - merged and simplified - they are now advanced skills - with simplified and streamlined techniques unlocked under them (similar to martial arts as described in reup).

* Power Curve for force powers: In RAW, lower level Force Users pretty much can't do a lot (even that is generous). I adjusted the power curve, but lowered the starting point - so now, lower level force users can actually use them, but higher level do not dominate.

* Teamwork: Other than the overly complex command skill (IMHO), there are not options for characters helping characters. I made simplified rules on characters assisting others - including options for more narrative approaches.

* Lack of actions for high end non force users: I added advanced skills and other options for characters who were not jedi/combat orientated to do things - from intimidating others, distracting them, boosting allies etc.

* Repair: too many charts - simplified and unified the repair charts. One chart - with variations listed where it matters - did not need a chart for everything.

* Dark side: I overhauled the system to reflect my players and my perceptions of force user behavior (i.e. jedi or no longer paladins). Mine was inspired by the Morality system in FFG's Force and Destiny (don't care for the game overall - but they have in my opinion the best take on the dark side I have ever seen).

* Background Options; Too clunky - promotes min maxing - I use a narrative based system that is inherently balanced, inspired by MythicD6

That is enough for now....

Love my d6 - so much so, it was the system of choice for our new campaign. I think the core is great, but a bit rough here and there. Just like many others here (with a very active house rules forum) I found a lot of things I wanted to tweak.

Just like some others - my house rules section started to get big.
So, I have been basically just making a new book (this was a foolish notion - really). It is about halfway done, formatting and editing takes a long time - even when done with house rules decisions (and those take time too!).
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Working on massive House Rules document - pretty much a new book. Will post soon....

[worfbacca]

I love the D6 WEG System and the Last Unicorn Game D6 system. I remember them with fondness. I’ve been working on my own core book of a hybrid system trying to take both of what I loved from both systems and implement something new - but I do like finding what else might have bothered people.
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[KageRyu]

[Whill]

[fogger1138]

[worfbacca]

One of the things I like in our converted system that we adopted from the LUG Icon d6 system was how someone that was rated as legendary skilled (12D+ WEG - level 6 in ICon) in something wanted to accomplish a difficult or nearly impossible task has to use a force point, character points or roll a 6 on the destiny. It means hard things are actually a challenge.
That’s correct about a character rolls an attribute dice pool takes the highest die and adds the skill level for the end result. A six on the destiny lets you add the next highest die. Any additional 6’s add a plus one to the result. Force points allow them to also add the next highest die, character points add a +1 result. I’ll share the core book with people soon. I’d love feedback.

Difficulties
Easy 0-2
Routine 3-5
Moderate 6-8
Challenging 9-11
Difficult 12-14
Nearly Impossible 15+
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[garhkal]

[Sutehp]

Getting a bit off topic here, but since fogger and garhkal commented on the subject, I thought I'd chime in too:

During the Clone Wars, the troopers fought beside the Jedi for years, establishing camaraderie and rapport between the two. Many Jedi were friends (or at least friendly) with their troops. Not to mention that the clones turned on the Jedi as a result of the bio-chips implanted in their brains, which is essentially the biological equivalent of hidden programming. With both factors in play, it's hardly any wonder that so many Jedi were taken by surprise, even with the famed Jedi danger sense as a factor.

In the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, it's mentioned that there are two ways to kill a Jedi: either lull him into a false sense of security or overwhelm him with numbers. With Order 66, Darth Sidious did both at once.
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Only some of it is for D6 Star Wars.
Just repurchased the X-Wing and Tie Fighter flight sim games. I forgot how much I missed them.

[fogger1138]

[KageRyu]

[Sutehp]

[fogger1138]