Skill level cap?

[Mamatried]

I came to think that maybe there should be some cap to how high you can learn a skill.

I came to think of this becuse of the force power sense force potential.

to me the mere name indicates that there is some cap

" This power allows a Jedi to probe the mind of a target, and determine whether that person has the potential to be strong in the Force. "

this is the first part of the description of the force power, and to me this indicates that there is some form of a cap.

could someone "only" be strong enough in the force to have a total of 9D in the force skills, or?

and does it make sense to have some form of cap on how high a skill can be thought?

[CRMcNeill]

Based on the RAW, this should just allow the Jedi to sense the “Yes/No” option on Force Sensitive, or what their Force Attribute is (if you’re using that option).
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[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

It might, if there was any sort of mechanism like that in the RAW. Unfortunately, there is only Force Sensitive?: Yes/No. As in Yes = "has potential to be strong in the Force," and No = "Does not." Other than that, the only cap should be how hard the player is willing to work at building up his character.
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[garhkal]

[Mamatried]

[Naaman]

I tend to think that the attribute is the key. Someone who is very smart would have a high knowledge attribute. In life, an innately "smart" person can recall a great deal of general and specific information, and can analyze the information he knows in a sort of "quantum" way: rationships between individual data points are "obvious" to a "smart" person, while a regular Joe sees no connection unless it is pointed out/explained to him.

So, Regular Joe could have the 2D knowledge and the same skill level, (say, 6D in Scholar: SWRPG D6), while Braniac Billy has 4D knowledge.

Two ways to look at this: Joe had to spend more time and effort to get up to 6D, and therefore, his 6D means the same as Billy's 6D (that is, he "struggled" for it and therefore, earned it). Or, Billy's higher knowledge attribute could allow him some means of having a more thorough understanding.

If you want a skill cap, you could try a some variations on the roll/keep system.

1) no cap on skill level. Roll skill, and total up only a number of dice equal to the attribute.

The problem here is that this sets a limit of 12-24 on most people's rolls, so you would probably need to make all dice explode on a 6 (but still only have 1 of them cause problems on a 1).

2) roll skill, keep up to double or triple the attribute. This allows someone with 2D strength to roll, for example, 35D in lifting, and have a very high chance of getting "max" result (24 if you use double or 36 of you use triple).

If I were to go with this, I would go with number two, and I would set the cap at "keep triple."

[Raven Redstar]

I was contemplating adding in a skill cap based on whatever attribute. Probably something like 3x the attribute. So, a character with a 4D attribute can max out their skill at 12D, a character with 2D can max out at 6D.
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[Mamatried]

[Naaman]

If we require a teacher to get beyond +4D, how did the (first) teacher ever get beyond +4D?

In life, things seem be be the opposite: the initial learning requires a teacher, up to the point that a character is advanced enough to start innovating new methods/techniques in whatever field.

[Whill]

[Naaman]

Good point. I suppose the RAW also allows for advancement of attributes beyond species "maximum.'

[garhkal]

[Mamatried]

I am thinking that characters should be allowed to advance on their own to a degree, and depend on an instuctor or teacher to some degree.

Other than the higher cp cost that is.

I am considering allowing advancement without a teacher to +2D attribute, with this representing more in terms of higher learning that true skill level.

Basically the 2D you manage to learn your self represent hobbies, intrest and what ever you learned by your self.
the higher learning, meaning above +2D in the skill and the advanced skills etc, will from that point on need a teacher, must then teach the character a full +1D before they can advance on their own again.

Skill cost for teacher applies.

By doinf this intermediate thing we still have self improvement, faster with a teacher.
We do have some caps on some skills that make sense, I doubt even by 2x CP cost that anyone by themselves will even come in a situation to warrant them access to "propper" studies and information, leaving with them "holes in the education" and this makes sense.

You can educate your self as a hobby game hunter to be an excellent marksman, you can learn to hide, use a radio, but this doen't male you a scout sniper, for that you needthe instructor to teach you the same as above, but the "right way" indicating the +1D, then the character has completed the course for now and enough to learn on his own, or rater improve.

I can see this in many cases with advanced skills, I mean just becuse I manage to find my own peculiar way to do CPR I dount the same peculiar way would warrant me to be a surgon, get the surgery advanced skill from what....doing a dr evazan until I maybe learn something?

So I think the mix is maybe the answer here,

A cap to how far you can progress without a teacher, then how much a teacher needs to teach you to access the higher learning of the skill

( I here actually disregard the skill grades, as most if not every NPC out there with a name is MASSIVE on CPs comaperd to a player character, and sorry to sayt a TIE fighter pilot who can begin play at 6D, serving actively should without too much difficulty raise this to 8D 9D even 10D and above...and this is the one in the galaxy level?

I don't see them making all that much sense unless people save up 100s or 1000s of cp or otherwise refuse to get better,

and this is why I think there should be a cap, at least in how much you can teach yourself alone, now a team or group of palyers IMO can easily teach eachoter at least to a degree.

I would also require the teacher to not simply have D in a skill to teach but have 2D higher that his student's skill, but can teach "only" to 1D less than theacher skill. meaning a teacher with 7D astrogation can teach anyone upto 6D, but not above.
Most students at 6D youd not bebefit much from this teacher and should seek one at 8D

So Joe has 3D in Mechanical, he has 4D in astrogation and want to improve this. after enough time he can finally raise this to 5D, the cap of his self learning.
He is a good "leyman astrgator" but he can't even try to convince anyone that he knows his stuff, comapred to the academy graduated astrogater.

So he finds a teacher, and because ha has 5D in astrogation he finds one with no less than 7D, capable of teaching Joe enough to raise his skill to 6D.
Joe must can now quit and begin learning on his own, he can then eventually get 7D in his astogation skill, and be good at it.
But Joe is not happy, he wants to be even better...but again he needs that teacher that can give hism the knowledge he can't find alone.....he has now 7D in his astrogation skill and thinks ahead going for a veteran astrogation maste one with a staggering 10D to his skill.
Joe with his 7D, can now study inder this teacher until his skill increaes to 9D...he is then most likely never getting better or ...he is teaching others, but yeas he can rais it to 1D, but then will need another teacher...and so on and so on

I am also inclined to allow a higher and faster progression with the propper teacher and facilities.

Normal progression is +1pip to skill at the time, but maybe a teacher should allow you to inctrese the skill +2pip in one go, or maybe a full 1D

so Joe increases his skill on his own from 4D to 4D+1, then 4D+2, then 5D and then he found out it was so much easier with a teacher
he now payed the cp cost, but he didn't have to improve 5D+1, rather he can imprive to 6D directly.

[Whill]