no different.... only different in your mind

griff

Before a gaming session my group had watched Empire, during the game my friend who was playing a young Jedi had used this Yoda quote to try to bring down all his force power difficulties to Easy. Now his character had two force powes at 6D and the last was over four. After a long back and forth over this topic, in which I could not fault his logic about all difficulties being at the same level, his character was advanced enough to have such an epiphany, we decided on a compromise, all.difficulties would be 15 reguardless of the task, picking up a lightsaber with telekinesis, or lifting a starship. But all force powers were lowered to 4D without ever being able to raise them anymore. Any failed roll would encure a -1D penalty if tried again before the number of round equal to the margin of failure had passed. No.character points or force points would be allowed to enhance his force powers. The lightsaber skill was still allowed to improve. Is this a reasonable rule to have?

garhkal · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:09 am Post subject:

Intersting take. I don't agree though. Just cause Yoda was telling Luke that its no different, does not make it so.
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:30 am Post subject:

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Guys, it's kind of a no-brainer to come up with a WEGSW explanation that maintains LFSW canon.

How difficult it is in your mind represents the Force skill difficulty.
A Force Skill really is the Jedi's ability to wrap his mind around the Force. The Force is already all-powerful if you've the skill to tap it.
So skill level and learning powers is really about how much of it you can train yourself to understand at least on some level.

cheshire · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:41 am Post subject:

Leon The Lion · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:01 am Post subject:

Oh, sure, that works fine.

Yoda clearly expected Luke to be able to do it, and Luke's skills with the Force at that point ware surely much lower than Yoda's. Which, of course, may just mean that Luke's skill was adequate (depending on how heavy an X-Wing actually is, this could place his skill in at least 5D-6D range to have any useful chance of success) and he just failed his roll, and got discouraged.

For myself, I prefer the version where Yoda, undisputably a great master and authority on the Force that he was, was also ancient, senile, decades out of practice in actually teaching anybody anything, and hailed from a decadent tradition mired in, undoubtedly soewhat functional, but inaccurate and reactionary dogma besides.

But, as always, YMMV. Wink

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CRMcNeill · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:33 am Post subject:

I have to agree with them, Leon. I've considered this myself before and ultimately arrived at the conclusion that a character's dice level in his various Force skills was a measurement of his understanding of the nature of the Force. Yoda, with his much higher skill dice level, has long ago internalized the concept of "only different in your mind", while Luke, with his much lower skill level, hears Yoda say this and is immediately skeptical. Only through increasing his knowledge of and experience with the Force (aka increasing his skill level) can he reach the point where he fully understands what Yoda is saying.
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Leon The Lion · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:51 am Post subject:

I just find it hilarious, that everything Yoda says about the Force is typically taken as literal gospel truth and oft trotted out everytime someone dares present a different interpretation, even as a house-rule for his own game... Except for this little gem, when it's suddenly: "no, no, of course that's not what he really means at all, it's just metaphore, don't you see?". Razz

Eh, no big, really. Let's just agree to disagree. I'll use my version for my game, you use your for yours, griff will use his (quite interesting, but not my cup of tea) for his , and everybody'll be happy.
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garhkal · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject:

griff · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:30 pm Post subject:

Yoda must have flipped out when Anakin showed up to the party at the Ewok village. "Not invited, I thought you were."

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griff · Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:13 am Post subject:

Was that in the Truce at Bakura, I can't remember

Leon The Lion · Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:00 am Post subject:

I read a fanfic about that, "Restless Warrior".

It was well written but mostly sentimental and sappy. I enjoyed it a lot. Razz

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cheshire · Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:29 am Post subject:

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