Heightened gravity, damage and liquid nitro..???

[garhkal]

Ok. Lets say for a long time, some of your rebels have being using large armor (smasher, or the ilk) to slap the imps around. Being they are not all that stupid, it would be reasonable to see them countering the armor with inventive tactics.

So lets say you (planning out that tactic) decide the enemy is going to use Hoses with liquid nitrogen in them (from a tank).
What damage do you think the nitro would do? How about to the guy inside?
What if someone else got hit?

What if instead youo just waited till they wer somewhere where the gravity was variable (ship, or space station), and you upped it to say 4 times normal. What penalties to their stats do you think that would inflict? How high would it have to get before they would get crushed by the weight?>
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[haggis launcher]

i think something like an ion grenade or a jawa droid gun would possibly shut down the armour leaving it dead weight or even locked in position.

[jmanski]

liquid nitro.... kewl. It would have a high damage as well as a burning component. The armor should protect the wearer, but the armor would freeze up- imho.

Interesting idea. Evil, but interesting.....
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[atgxtg]

I'm going to go against the pack and say Liquid nitrogen probably won't be doing much damage. My reasoning is that many molten metals are much hotter than liquid nitrogen is cold, so you could probably do more damage with, say molten steel.

Many suits of power armor are designed to work in space, which is even colder than liquid nitrogen, so such suits probably won't freeze up.



But for some house rule, I'd try something like 1D per 120 degrees C (1 pip per 40 degree C).

Some examples:

Molten Copper (1083C): 9D
Molten Aluminum (659C) 5D+1
Nickle (1452C) 12D
High Carbon Steel (1353) 11D+1
Titatnium (1795C) 15D
Tungsten (3000C) 25D
Zinc (419C) 3D+1

Liquid Nitrogen (-196C) : 1D+2



However, the damage would be continual as long as the character is exposed, and I'd probably take the damage value off the armor rating each round as the armor cools and freezes, unless the armor is designed for space use, then I'd probably half the loss (since the nitrogen does conduct the heat away).

[Esoomian]

I'm going to have to agree with atgxtg here and add that as soon as the liquid nitrogen hits the atmoshpere it'd start turning into a gas. While the spray would still do damage it'd be hard to aim with the gas cloud obsuring vision.

Upping gravity now that'd work, For an increase like double I'd probably add a person's soak to the difficulty and make them have to make movement rolls or something.
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[atgxtg]

For high gravity, I'd do something like:

-Multiply the falling damage by the gravity. The would include the terminal velocity (9D limit). So that works out to about 1D per 1.5m instead of 1D per 6m.

-Multiply any weight carried by the gravity. (This could be crippling if the armor was heavy to begin with, or the character is carting around a lot of gear.).Do the same to weights for lifting tests.


-Apply a big penalty to any phsical actions, like brawling, running and so on, of +1 difficulty level per G (+1 pip per 0.2G).


-require stamina tests to avoid fatigue.



If the suit has got some good servos in it that increase STR, the power armor character might be able to function, but his buddies are going to be sitting ducks.

[Raven Redstar]

Smasher Armor isn't heavy armor. Defense on it is only +1D/+1D, and +2D to strength checks for brawling, climbing/jumping, lifting, and damage. So with the servo enhancers, increased gravity would likely be irrelevant. With liquid nitrogen, you could probably freeze the servos, but for heavy gravity, I'm pretty sure all it requires are stamina checks to beat out.

If I were a truly devious commander, I'd set up a trap with men in environmental armor with magnetic boots on some place like a space station, and then cut all life support and eliminate gravity period. Fighting in zero-g is a lot more difficult and his smasher armor is effectively nullified at long range. And if I lose a few civilians in the fray? So be it. Blame it on the PCs, say that they were resisting a lawful arrest warrant, and blasted a power box linked to life support in the section. But, then again, this is if you want to kill the characters.

[garhkal]

[Esoomian]

That'd it... Although you'd have to lure them into a very specalized environment to do that. It's probably more trouble than it's worth.

A better bet would be to have some sort of sacrifical squad attempt to take them down (but really all they're doing is keeping them busy) while some sort of minature droid slips around behind them and slices into the amour, taking direct control of it.

I can imagine a fist sized repulsorlift droid... perhaps even a droid that looks like a dud grenade that can sneak up to the PCs when they're busy with the squad.

Then the other PCs have to figure out if they want to fight the remaining squad members and their amoured buddy or fall back leaving him to be captured and have to rescue him later.
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[ZzaphodD]

Hehe, all that trouble (molten metals, tanks of nitrogen, hoses and logistic problems)..

Wouldnt it be easier to just jury-rig a few heavy blasters or laser rifles. Sure, it will probably only fire once or twice, but at 8D damage chances are that it will punch a hole even in the famous blaster proof wookie..

Other than that I would prefer snipers to all the trouble with hot/cold liquids/metals.

[Leon The Lion]

[Grimace]

I'll post what I put up over on the Holonet.

Space Rated Self contained - 2D+1 damage per round
Self Contained non-space rated - 4D+2 damage per round
non-self contained, non-space rated - 7D damage per round
non-armored - 9D+2 damage per round

Any damage that exceeds the armor resistance roll (only armor) would get applied (due to constant contact with the human inside) against the character's resistance. So if the armor was +2D vs. Physical and was self contained by not space rated, the damage would be 4D+2 vs. the 2D armor. Say damage was 21 and armor resistance was 7. Difference is 14 so that's applied against the character's resistance roll. So then a 3D STR character would roll against 14. Say he gets 10. That's a bit of mild effect on him.

Worse, each time the liquid nitrogen exceeds the armor roll, the armor is reduced by 1D. So the more the liquid nitrogen continues to be put on the armor the more brittle and weak the armor gets and the less it protects the wearer until it finally cracks and breaks. So in the example above, that armor would only now be at a 1D vs. Physical for the next round the liquid nitro gets put on the armor.

Now as far as a gravity increase goes, it really depends on the type of armor being used. Regular body armor that only requires the wearer's normal muscles to move it will have major problems pretty quickly. Armor that was powered and relied less on the wearer's muscles would allow the person to function longer in higher Gs.

I'd allow for a measure of doubling for functioning. So a person could work in 1-2 Gs without too much of a hassle. 3-4 Gs will measurably affect a person's functions so I'd take away 1D in DEX and STR. 5-6 Gs starts really weighing on a person (yes, a pun) and reduces DEX and STR by 2D more. 7-8 Gs will reduce DEX and STR by 4D more, effectively putting out all but the most beefy and agile races. Obviously when your DEX or STR is reduced to 0, you collapse and become immobile. Make a resistance roll against the most recent deduction to see if you pass out.

Non-powered armor reduces the Gs tolerated by 1. So instead of 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, etc. it becomes 1 = regular, 2 = -1D, 3 = -2D more, 4 = -4D more.

Powered armor without STR bonus increased the Gs tolerated by 1. So it becomes 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, etc.

Powered armor WITH Strength bonus will cancel out a number of Gs equal to the STR bonus. So if the armor gives +2D to STR, it basically cancels out 2 Gs worth of increase. So a character wearing a +2D to Strength skills would consider 1-3 Gs as a 1. So it would be able to handle up to 5 Gs without any effect. (That's 1-3 for being powered armor and +2 for giving a STR bonus to skills). After that, every 3 would work against it.

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[Leon The Lion]