The Old Republic Online officially anounced.

[Ravenarchon]

Didn't see any other posts about this, and this IS a star wars forum of some kind. So thought any here who didn't already know might like to.

http://www.swtor.com/index.php

It's set like 300 years after the two KotOR games, when the true sith that Revan and the Exile went off to fight finally make their move.

Oh and in an interview, one of the devs aparently said it's not going to be d20 like the other two Old Republic games.

Frankly I'm psyched, even if the graphics do look a little... WoWish. Altho my brother's first reaction was that they were trying to copy the new CGI cartoon, so maybe WoW is just doing stuff to my head.

Anyway yeah, Star Wars MMO that isn't Galaxies? Sign me up.

[Gry Sarth]

I'm frankly a little bummed about this. I love the KOTOR games and I would love to be able to play KOTOR 3 (done right, this time). But now they've turned it into an MMORPG and that simply does not interest me. I don't want to pay a monthly fee in order to enjoy my games, and I don't want to feel obligated to play it a lot since I'm paying good monthly money for that. Besides that, the MMO crowd just turns me off. I play my RPGs seriously and it seems most people "out there" don't, which just ruins the setting.

I pass.
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[Rerun941]

If they stick to the standard monthly fee for MMOs (around $15 USD) that roughly equates to $.50 a day to play the game. Even if you only play for an hour a day, I'd say that's pretty reasonable. I dunno about you, but I can play a $50 single-player RPG (like KOTOR) in one or two months. So, an MMO ends up being a CHEAPER option. If you consider tabletop gaming, the cost of gas/snacks (and sometimes even table fees) every week, MMOs still come out cheaper. Plus, I can play an MMO at home in my pajamas

Yes, I agree, there are jerks who play MMOs and make it a less an immersive experience. But then, I'm in an area where no one is playing SWd6 so, half-immersion is better than none at all.
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[vong]

who says you cant play other games in your pyjamas even table top games.

As a recently x-student and new house owner the expenses are packing up. and while it may be .50$ a day on that game, mortgage is 45$ a day, hydro is 10$/day (more if you mmo more ) food is 15$ a day etc. if you can save that .50$ a day and just spend a one time cost when you can afford it I find it better.

and tabletops... ive spent at most 100$ on tabletop games since i started gaming, and i have been gaming for close to 10 years now (wow, thats a long time)

I hadnt realized this was an MMO at first glance, and unfortunatly my opnion of it has gone downhill. MMOs need to keep you in the game longer, to keep you playing. So in MMO you hear words such as "XP/gold/equip Farming" and users have to spend hours doing this to just to be able to enjoy some other aspect of the game. This is known by the corps that create them know this and do this on purpose.

just my 2 creds but I probably wont jump on this MMO band wagon (or any other).
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[Rerun941]

I just don't buy the "don't pay for what you don't use" argument. Most of us pay for things that we don't use 24x7. (Cable TV, Internet service, telephone service, etc.)

Just remember that MMOs are essentially a service and not a product. *shrug* either way, the money thing isn't a big deal for me. I'm not telling you how to spend your money, just that (in my opinion), MMOs are not as expensive as everyone makes them out to be. I've played Star Wars: Galaxies and World of Warcraft for over 3 years and have gotten quite a bit of enjoyment out of it.

It's not an apples to apples comparison to compare MMOs and tabletop gaming, they are completely different gaming experiences and each has their merits. If you've tried MMOs and that's not your thing, I'm cool with that.

And btw, the nearest table top gaming locale for me is a 10 mi trip (one-way). Plus, all the groups ever want to play is D&D. While I like D&D and it's a fun game to play. I REALLY want to play (and GM) SWd6.
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[Ankhanu]

I've played MMOs and enjoyed them, but yeah, it's expensive It's not AS expensive as a lot of things, but, well, $10-20/mo is $10-20/mo no matter how you slice it (plus the initial cost of buying the software). While it's not a horrendous cost, it is far more expensive than buying non-subscription games.

As for comparing MMOs and table top not being fair, remember, it is you that initiated it I agree they're different concepts.
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[Ravenarchon]

Just to add my 2 cents, I've been playing MMOs for a long time. Like 3 or 4 years now. I only play one of them full time (Final Fantasy XI), so my view is a bit diferant because FFXI is a far cry from the typical MMO like WoW - a game I didn't much enjoy.

Frankly MMOs can go either way. FFXI is very people driven. You basicly can't do ANYTHING without a group. There are exceptions, but mostly you need friends in FFXI or you're not getting anywhere. So you get to know people fast, and you're always doing stuff together.

That I like. I like the feeling of unity in FFXI. We have our noobs and jerks sure, but overall alot of the people got where they are because someone helped them. And they remember it. Alot of people are put off by FFXI for this exact reason. They want to do everything on their own and don't really want to work for it. But for me this is the best way to do it.

On the flip side you have games like WoW. Which is basicly a one player game with other people in it. There are some things that require alot of people like raids and stuff, but those can often devolve into arguments, and drama. Mostly because all the people in the group got themselves where they are now, and they're still a bit selfish. (No offence meant to any WoW players here. I do play and enjoy the game on occasion.)

So the way I see it there is the potential for this game to be awesome, or to be crap. Their idea of making the game more story driven especially intrigues me.

It's okay if you don't like MMOs or they're not your cup of tea. But I (and many people like me from what I've been hearing), have been DREAMING of a MMO version of KotOR since the first game came out. And I am practically comming unhinged waiting for more news about it.

[DarthMortis]

I have played WoW, all be it on a private server with few people. I have just recently bought City of Heroes/Villians: Good Vs. Evil edition. It cost me $20 for the game itself, and $15 for the time card. I payed $35 dollars for it, and I believe that I have gotten my value for the game. The point of gaming, or any sort of hobby, is entertainment. If you don't find something entertaining then don't pay for it. But if you do find something entertaining, then go for it.

Also, it's usually not a good idea to have only 1 copy of most of the books in a game. Me and my group only have 1 Players Handbook for D&D 3.5, and it was a disaster. "Hey, give me the book" "No, I'm using it." "I f*** need it." So on, and so fourth. It's not so much for this particular game but for RPG's in general, you are paying about $30 a month to buy new books (if you buy one), plus dice. And then again the cost of gas, some people don't have cars that get good gas mileage, and some people have to go pretty far to play. One of my friends lives 25 miles out of town from the rest of us, one direction. Coming back and fourth, 1 once a week is 50 miles, in a typical car that gets, oh say...20 miles a gallon on the highway, that's about 2 1/2 gallons of gas, just to get to and from the gaming group. With gas being around $2.30, that's $4.60. If you do that once a week for a month, that's about $18.40 a month. If we play once a week, sometimes we play more than that, sometimes less but it usually evens out to that. It's not possible to say that MMO's cost more or less than a table top game except for in your own life.

There's my 2 creds.
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[jmanski]

Chiming in:

I agree with Gry: I'm not gonna pay $50 to buy the game, then spend $15/month to play it. That's $180 per year (plus the game itself) to play a game that I own. Besides, the economy is slow, I need that money for gas to go to work.....
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[Gry Sarth]

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[Darklighter79]

Finally, after all these years...

STAR WARS: The Old Republic Disorder Cinematic Trailer