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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Power above what you expected |
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I have a character who has a specilization in their ship (human 4D mec + 3D spec, giving him 7D). He is in a ship with 3D manuverability so he is rolling 10D
now combat has started to last too long as he is piloting and someone else is shooting. now the standard ties cant hit him, but since our gunners suck, they cant hit the ties either.
Now how might you pull back on their power without seeming like you are hosing them... _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Ray Commodore
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 1743 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, North America, Western Hemisphere, Earth, Sol, Western Arm, Milky Way
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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The Tie Pilots start using tactics. They "Herd" the pilot into lines of fire, giving them a gunnery bonus.
The Squadron Commander would roll his Command Skill to give the bonus as per the rules for that skill. That's it.
If he doesn't have a Command skill... Well, how'd he become a Squadron Commander then? |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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hmm, good idea _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Gry Sarth Jedi
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5304 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well, fisrt of all, you shouldn't have given them such a good ship. I assume he's using a frighter, by your "gunners" comment, and most freighters have 1D maneuverability. 2D tops. 3D is a hell of a maneuverable vessel. Try to make them have to switch to a more average ship. Changing ships also takes care of your player's high specialization. If he hasn't been increasing the base skill as well (always a risky move), then he'll be at a great disadvante when piloting a different ship.
On the other side of things, the simplest thing to do is to upgrade your enemies. Make them better shots, and have them flying ships with high Fire Control, such as the StarHammer, Authority IRD or Assault Gunboat, and maybe use the TIE/fc to further increase targeting capabilities. _________________ "He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them." |
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Tupteq Commander
Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 285 Location: Rzeszów, Poland
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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It's easy. Don't let your players to fly. Just place few next adventures on planets or space stations and require from players completely different skills. After all players gain some experience (don't let your pilot player to upgrade piloting skills, because he has no chance to train it) your whole team will be ready for more demanding missions.
I used this trick recently on my players (a bunch of space pirates flying capital ship), I grounded their ship for a while on low tech planet. They started learning other than combat/starship related skills of their own free will (running, ground vehicle operation: automobile, languages, con, sneak, persuasion etc.) and their skills became more balanced. |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Very nice Tupteq. very sneaky. Way to think outside the box _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14213 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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And if nothing else, ambushes work.. Whether on ground or in space. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Esoomian High Admiral
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 6207 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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You could have someone steal their ship...
It's actually surprisingly easy to do. I've had it happen to me and it was totally plausible.
And very, very irritating. _________________ Don't waste money on expensive binoculars.
Simply stand closer to the object you wish to view. |
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Ray Commodore
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 1743 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, North America, Western Hemisphere, Earth, Sol, Western Arm, Milky Way
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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The taking away and stealing of the ship would seem like "Hosing them" for the most part.
First, make them have to fly something else. Have them have to deal with cargos too big for the ship, and can't be split up. Or can't get back to their ship directly, and have to steal something else in the midterm.
You're not taking it away from then, just making them seek alternate transport temporarily.
Second, Piloting like that will get attention. Attention is a bad thing. It makes you a target as the Rep increases.
Third, good piloting will get you out of trouble. Too bad they have to get into it.
Finally, I do have to ask, what stock ship has 3D manuverability and a gunner? And if the ship's not stock, how'd they afford to get it to 3D manuverability? |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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They are using the starlight freighter (its only 26000) _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Tupteq Commander
Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 285 Location: Rzeszów, Poland
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | They are using the starlight freighter (its only 26000) |
I checked in "Starship Stats", it has only 1D of maneuverability. |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
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hmm, you are right, wonder what it is he is rolling then
ill ave to find out at our next session. _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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ifurin Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 20 May 2007 Posts: 208
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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are your players using hand written stats for the ship, or printed? i had some players write out the stats for a speeder vehicle i gave them and after a while i noticed that they were moving slower in combat than they were suposed to. when i checked their stats they had wrote the wrong speed down. |
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Esoomian High Admiral
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 6207 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ray wrote: | The taking away and stealing of the ship would seem like "Hosing them" for the most part. |
It's really not when you decide to capture a shapshifting assasin and then chain him up in your ship leaving only an NPC gamorian to guard him...
What was I thinking you might ask?
It seems I wasn't. However my point is that most players will actually get themselves into situations that can go very poorly for them if you give them enough rope. _________________ Don't waste money on expensive binoculars.
Simply stand closer to the object you wish to view. |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14213 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ray wrote: | The taking away and stealing of the ship would seem like "Hosing them" for the most part.
First, make them have to fly something else. Have them have to deal with cargos too big for the ship, and can't be split up. Or can't get back to their ship directly, and have to steal something else in the midterm. |
If they work for the rebellionm that is easy to do, have them assigned a ship to uyse.. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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