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| Esoomian wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | Even Bobas armour isnt made out of Phrik or Mandalorian Iron (until later). |
No and it should suffer if it's hit with a lightsaber but it is still (almost) unique and the technology to make amour that good seems to be lost if it's rarity is anything to go by. |
Yeah, the 'old' game rules are not consistent with later EU stuff..not uncommon. In the old days lightsabers seemed to cut through anything, now there are lightsaber resistant materials. As Phrik clearly existed during the clone wars, it shouldnt have disappeared 20 years later even if its illegal or something.
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I'd be tempted to have the magnaguard's amour value stay the same but rule that lightsabers do half damage or something as the substance is specifically noted for it's resistance to lightsabers.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Esoomian wrote: | | I'd be tempted to have the magnaguard's amour value stay the same but rule that lightsabers do half damage or something as the substance is specifically noted for it's resistance to lightsabers. |
Hmm, why would lesser energy levels damage the substance more? Phrik is noted as being "used in the construction of extremely light and durable battle armor." A containter of Phrik on Alderaan during its destruction was later found intact. Phase III darktroopers have Phrik armour (or at least Phrik in them) at +3D protection. My view of the material is to make it more resistant to energy than to physical damage, to take the lightsaber resistance into consideration and also not making it overall superior. Most of the time the dex penalty follows the physical protection. In this case, as its 'extremely light' id halve that pentalty to -1D for +2D protection.
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| Quote: | | Droids can be used in such a way but it seems more likely that droids would simply be confiscated and held in a secure facility until the owner leaves in situations like that. After all a wipe won't take out a backup personality and you've got less fallout from people irritated that their droid has to re-learn everything. |
And what is stopping people from breaking out the droids from said confiscation facility.
| Quote: | | But droids are ubiquitous in the Star Wars universe, they are on many, many planets and there is no evidence |
So are weapons and armor, and aliens. All 3 of those get restricted..
| Quote: | | Looking through Cynabars the only mention of Hardwired stuff I can find is TraitWare. Also I'm not sure recognition would be hardwired. Cynibars mentions droids not recognizing old masters and if you're going to resell your old security droid the new owner doesn't want it recognizing you or your staff. |
Just like a hardware upgrade to say a car or bike, you can remove it when you sell it off if you don't want it coming back on you.
| Quote: | | Just one area perhaps if it is a military location or something but I still think temporary confiscation makes more sense. From what you were saying earlier I thought you ment that on arrival at the planet your droid was wiped as you passed through customs. I just don't see that being viable. |
How is it less viable than A) getting a large enough facility to hold all those confiscated droids, B) getting the security to guard it and C) having all those people bringing one there, willing to LOSE the droid for a time vice having them memory wiped.
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| garhkal wrote: | | And what is stopping people from breaking out the droids from said confiscation facility. |
We'll I'd assume the facilty would be basically a massive wall of human sized draws (like a morgue). The droids would be depowered. Restraining bolted and locked in the draw where there is barely enough room to move. It'd be quite easy to make a facility like that secure. Anyone with the will and the firepower to break a droid out of there isn't going to be stopped by customs/security anyway so the thing that stops people busting their droids out is the thing that stops them shooting their way through customs. Consequences.
| Quote: | | So are weapons and armor, and aliens. All 3 of those get restricted.. |
You don't mindwipe an alien even if it is a verpine for instance. Weapons and amour may be taken or just refused entry to the planet/area as might dangerous aliens (unless there is an arrest order) so why would you wipe a droid when you can just say I'm sorry that has to wait on your ship?
| Quote: | | Just like a hardware upgrade to say a car or bike, you can remove it when you sell it off if you don't want it coming back on you. |
I can't see any hardware that would allow a droid to recognize someone after a memory wipe and Cynabars does say that droids forget even their own master so you'd have to introduce yourself again... it seems like much more trouble than it's worth.
| Quote: | | How is it less viable than A) getting a large enough facility to hold all those confiscated droids, B) getting the security to guard it and C) having all those people bringing one there, willing to LOSE the droid for a time vice having them memory wiped. |
A)You're going to want a secure area to hold contraband anyway so you've already got one and you can just tell people they can't bring their droid past this point and it has to go beack to the ship.
B)Contraband is valuable so you'd already have it guarded.
C)Loosing the droid while in a secure area would be much more desirable to having it wiped imagine if visiting a military museam somewhere and they grabbed your smartphone and wiped it. All your photos, apps, contacts all gone. People wouldn't do that they'd just confiscate it while you were in the area they wanted to keep secure.
Also what if the base model droid has high dice in tech/computers then a memory wipe doesn't protect anything.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | Hmm, why would lesser energy levels damage the substance more? Phrik is noted as being "used in the construction of extremely light and durable battle armor." A containter of Phrik on Alderaan during its destruction was later found intact. Phase III darktroopers have Phrik armour (or at least Phrik in them) at +3D protection. My view of the material is to make it more resistant to energy than to physical damage, to take the lightsaber resistance into consideration and also not making it overall superior. Most of the time the dex penalty follows the physical protection. In this case, as its 'extremely light' id halve that pentalty to -1D for +2D protection. |
Phase three Darktroopers are huge, they have more space and more servos to balance out the weight of the additional amour. In some cases they're powered exoskeletons
A container made of phrik may have survived Alderaan but that doesn't mean it was because it was made of phrink quite a few things survived in various degrees of intact I suspect luck and positioning has at least as much to do with it as durability.
The lightsaber resistance could be something to do with the specific properties of lightsabers. Perhaps phrink repels them slightly. My point is while it is light and durable 3D protection for just -1D in dex seems a bit much. I think for that level or protection the droid would have to have modifications done to it's frame to deal with the additional bulk that the amour represents.
Now if you combined Phrik amour with some sort of
armorweave cape/cowl arrangement you might be able to get to 3D energy protection with no dex penalty. Profided you were OK with called shots to un covered areas only having 2D+1 amour or something.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, if you read about armourweave, it says that the Magnaguard cloak is made out of that material.
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That is why I suggested it, but a cloak doesn't provide as much protection as a cowl does.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | That is why I suggested it, but a cloak doesn't provide as much protection as a cowl does. |
This 'guy' will most of the time try to pose as 'human' (from a distance) covered in a cloak and cowl, and even have his limbs wrapped in fabric. This is to ease movement and blend in in places like mos eisley and similar run down places.
BTW, im thinking of going +3D energy and +1D physical to reflect the 'light' armour but with high resistance vs energy. Cloak/Cowl/Wrappings included.
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Seems on the powerful side but not unresonable for a significant NPC villian.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | Seems on the powerful side but not unresonable for a significant NPC villian. |
The trick is to use physical damage. Usually protection vs physical is higher, which means you have to rething your strategy for IG113
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You don't mindwipe an alien even if it is a verpine for instance. Weapons and amour may be taken or just refused entry to the planet/area as might dangerous aliens (unless there is an arrest order) so why would you wipe a droid when you can just say I'm sorry that has to wait on your ship? |
I'll give you that latter one, but since it it is 'common practice' to mind wipe droids anyway (iirc from what cyndabars says), then why would peopple have such a heartache from it being done as part of customs?
| Quote: | | This 'guy' will most of the time try to pose as 'human' (from a distance) covered in a cloak and cowl, and even have his limbs wrapped in fabric. This is to ease movement and blend in in places like mos eisley and similar run down places. |
Some places that might work, but remember most of mos eisly has (iirc) droid sensors in buildings. OR is that just that bar?
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| Quote: | | Kind of hard to avoid it, if say you go to a high security imp planet and as part of their protocols they do it to all droids coming onto the planet, as i have seen in several modules. Or if your droid is taken out (ionised in combat), that imo would be part and parcel of the standard practice for captured enemy droids. |
Exactly what modules say this?
I have them all from WEG to Saga and I cannot find it being said in any book, module or not, rpg or not.
The things i can find that comes close is the requirement of restraining bolts.
The other is annual memory wipes required by some places.
I asked at a star wars rpg chat and everyone there said it is just a house rule being claimed as a fact. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | since it it is 'common practice' to mind wipe droids anyway (iirc from what cyndabars says), then why would peopple have such a heartache from it being done as part of customs? |
Because it's common practice for people to wipe droids when they think it's developing to much personality or perhaps as an anual thing, not just randomly when you're in the middle of things.
At work we reimage computers if they start having performance issues that aren't hardware related. This almost always improves performace considerably but we don't just do it willy nilly because it is a real hassle to get everything set up the way the user likes it again. It'd be the same for droids.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Esoomian wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | Hmm, why would lesser energy levels damage the substance more? Phrik is noted as being "used in the construction of extremely light and durable battle armor." A containter of Phrik on Alderaan during its destruction was later found intact. Phase III darktroopers have Phrik armour (or at least Phrik in them) at +3D protection. My view of the material is to make it more resistant to energy than to physical damage, to take the lightsaber resistance into consideration and also not making it overall superior. Most of the time the dex penalty follows the physical protection. In this case, as its 'extremely light' id halve that pentalty to -1D for +2D protection. |
Phase three Darktroopers are huge, they have more space and more servos to balance out the weight of the additional amour. |
And hence need much more armour than a Magnaguard to begin with.. They have a +3D/+3D protection however, so probably they have an overall thicker armour. Also, I chose to make the Phrik armour more resistant vs energy to make it different. I didnt think we need another armour that is exactly like all others.
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A container made of phrik may have survived Alderaan but that doesn't mean it was because it was made of phrink |
Well, as an example of the resistance of Phrik, the container was brought up.
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The lightsaber resistance could be something to do with the specific properties of lightsabers. Perhaps phrink repels them slightly.
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Wookie only metions that its resistant. Cortosis have the noted special ability of 'shorting out' lightsabers. Nothing similar mentioned about Phrik.
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My point is while it is light and durable 3D protection for just -1D in dex seems a bit much. I think for that level or protection the droid would have to have modifications done to it's frame to deal with the additional bulk that the amour represents. |
Well, its built for 'normal' armour at +1D/+1D with its current Dex stat. This is 'extremely light and durable' armour which is not really availible at the nearest droid shop. Sure, it might imply a few modification (upgraded motivators and hydralics) but thats no problem.
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Now if you combined Phrik amour with some sort of
armorweave cape/cowl arrangement you might be able to get to 3D energy protection with no dex penalty. Profided you were OK with called shots to un covered areas only having 2D+1 amour or something. |
Well, armourweave probably contains Phrik or similar materials to a degree if its lightsaber resistant. Why not put it directly into the armour instead of a cloak. Why is one to good and the other ok?[/quote]
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