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garhkal
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| Quote: | | Most droid PCs (and the Magnagard mentioned) avoid memory wipes. It's not so hard to do if you don't have a master because wiping the memory of someone else's droid is likely to be some sort of crime. Also it costs money and if the droid resists it's somewhat hard to do. Also all you need is a backup like this: |
Kind of hard to avoid it, if say you go to a high security imp planet and as part of their protocols they do it to all droids coming onto the planet, as i have seen in several modules. Or if your droid is taken out (ionised in combat), that imo would be part and parcel of the standard practice for captured enemy droids.
As to that hidden core.. te availability imo is WAY too low. Should be something like at least a 3x.
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| garhkal wrote: | | Quote: | | Most droid PCs (and the Magnagard mentioned) avoid memory wipes. It's not so hard to do if you don't have a master because wiping the memory of someone else's droid is likely to be some sort of crime. Also it costs money and if the droid resists it's somewhat hard to do. Also all you need is a backup like this: |
Kind of hard to avoid it, if say you go to a high security imp planet and as part of their protocols they do it to all droids coming onto the planet, as i have seen in several modules. Or if your droid is taken out (ionised in combat), that imo would be part and parcel of the standard practice for captured enemy droids.
As to that hidden core.. te availability imo is WAY too low. Should be something like at least a 3x. |
Hmm, I cant see IG88, 4Lom or IG113 in this case going to the core worlds anytime soon. I think they live and breathe (or exist and calculate) in regions with light imperial control the mid to outer rim. |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Kind of hard to avoid it, if say you go to a high security imp planet and as part of their protocols they do it to all droids coming onto the planet, |
Really? That seems insane. Say I've had an astromech for a few years and it's gotten really good at calculating hyperspace routes. I turn up at Corescaunt and bang reset to factory default! That kinda sucks.
However with a good fake ID and a full body suit of amour a droid could possibly pull off being something like an Ubese and then they never have to take the amour off.
| garhkal wrote: | | As to that hidden core.. te availability imo is WAY too low. Should be something like at least a 3x. |
Hidden cores may be rare but so are droid bounty hunters so in the 0.01% of cases where a droid has enough flexibility in it's programing to be a bounty hunter it would not surprise me at all that it'd have a hidden core.
I'd imagine droid bounty hunters do a few jobs in the low security outer rim befor making use of the Bounty Hunter's Guild's shady contacts to get some black market upgrades.
Additionally if you're making an NPC (as ZzaphodD is) then a lot of the time they get equipped with stuff to make them a more memorable encounter. I know I'd remember a droid that almost killed me and I finally managed to ionize. Wipe it's memory and sell for a tidy propheyt only to have it's old personality reactivate and it then goes on to kill it's new master and escape. Now I'm wanted for murder (or perhaps manslaughter) because I sold the defective droid.
| garhkal wrote: | | Or if your droid is taken out (ionised in combat), that imo would be part and parcel of the standard practice for captured enemy droids. |
If your droid is taken out in combat it should be thanking it's lucky stars it's not destroyed. Anything that happens after that is a bonus. I'd assume you'd only wipe a droid after you discovered who owned it etc so it might have the chance to escape custody when it's memory is being scannen. And even then a hidden core can mean it's back in action after it gets resold to pay for court costs.
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garhkal
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| Quote: | Really? That seems insane. Say I've had an astromech for a few years and it's gotten really good at calculating hyperspace routes. I turn up at Corescaunt and bang reset to factory default! That kinda sucks.
However with a good fake ID and a full body suit of amour a droid could possibly pull off being something like an Ubese and then they never have to take the amour of |
Yup. How i view sector capitals, systems with ubiquorate facilities or flat out imp planets, is that would be standard practice for them, along with no body armors or weapons more than a pistol. (unless a guild licenced bounty hunter ON a hunt).
On the fake id/full ubese body suit, I have had alien players use that trick, but on one world it back fired when they wanted the ubese (who are supposedly good with cryo tech from something i read) to go work on one of their cryoplants cooling the main cities power reactor.. when he knew nada about it, and messed up two other times, the imps rumbled that something was amiss. He even got caught without his helmet on by an ISB agent.. So that world (well imc) it won't work any more.
| Quote: | | If your droid is taken out in combat it should be thanking it's lucky stars it's not destroyed. |
Agreed. One of my home worlds when i gm at home the imp govenor is NOTORIOUS for having captured enemy droids publically smelted.... All cause one group of rebels used over 3 dozen droids to take over a power grid and shut down an imp prison.
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Esoomian
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| garhkal wrote: | | Yup. How i view sector capitals, systems with ubiquorate facilities or flat out imp planets, is that would be standard practice for them, along with no body armors or weapons more than a pistol. |
See I see a situation like that as unfeasible. The amour and weapons makes sense but I cannot rationalize wiping all droids.
A businessman arrives with his personal assistant droid with all his appointments and contacts stored - Bam gone
A politician arrives with a guard droid - Bam now your guard doesn't recognize your spouce or staff.
A diplomat arrives with a translator droid - Bam that obscure language, gone.
I just don't think a blanket wipe policy makes sense it would cause more problems than it solves.
| garhkal wrote: | | unless a guild licenced bounty hunter ON a hunt |
In ZzaphodD's example the droid may well be a licenced bounty hunter on a hunt. What then?
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| Do we have any support about droid wiping as standard procedure or is it a personal interpretation? |
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[quote="Esoomian"] | garhkal wrote: | Additionally if you're making an NPC (as ZzaphodD is) then a lot of the time they get equipped with stuff to make them a more memorable encounter. I know I'd remember a droid that almost killed me and I finally managed to ionize. Wipe it's memory and sell for a tidy propheyt only to have it's old personality reactivate and it then goes on to kill it's new master and escape. Now I'm wanted for murder (or perhaps manslaughter) because I sold the defective droid.
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I have an even better example. One of my earlier character was a techie kind of guy with a fetish (non sexual) for droids. His pride and joy was 3vil 3d, a rebuilt cargo droid. It started with B-2, a 2m version of the B-1 cargo droid and then added armor, weapons, new movement servos, new programming. I ended up with a STR 9D monster with armour, an upgraded E-web, rocket launcher, electrified hull, a 2m vibroblade (from a industrial scale forest clearing droid). My only concern was that it didnt have the combat skills I needed, and I couldnt write a good enough (for me) program. This was solved when I found a assassin droid head in a droid junk yard. I stripped programming (not daring to use the brain itself) from the head and implemented in my droid getting a 7D blaster skill among other stuff.
Not a low profile droid by any means, but it was stored on our 'high profile' ship which was only used on combat missions and lawless plantes. It was a perfect droid guarding the ship when on business on these planets.  On one trip the ship had its power short out in the middle of a hyperspace voyage, by sabotage and got stranded in the middle of nowhere. My character wasnt on the ship, so they didnt have a (really) good tech to fix this. The solution was to shut down 3vil 3d and steal power from his (massively upgraded) power core. The problem was that the assassin droid personality had taken control over the droid, so far playing along until the right moment to revolt apparently. The droid naturally objected to being shut down and have its power stolen and hence a fight between the droid and the PCs aboard broke out in the cargo hold of the ship...  It was fun playing ones own droid (with hidden surprises like the electrified hull and a Thermal Detonator self destruction device) against the other players..
Well, my character didnt enjoy the ride in the other ship either. The only other passenger was the groups jedi who had recently passed over to the dark side while possessed by an sith mask. He had to program the ship to fly into a sun if he frequently didnt give the correct password to at least have an after death revenge if things got out of hand.. |
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garhkal
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| Esoomian wrote: |
See I see a situation like that as unfeasible. The amour and weapons makes sense but I cannot rationalize wiping all droids. |
Why not? I have seen players use droids just as effectively as weapons and armor to neuter imperials (especially when they have a droid with 9d computers, 4d (A) computer engineering etc....
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A businessman arrives with his personal assistant droid with all his appointments and contacts stored - Bam gone |
The businessman would imo be a fool if he knew he was going to a planet like that, and did not have it stored elsewhere... Just like i would be a fool for going from base X in say Okinawa to Base Y in say itally, and expecting my home computer to work the same (different power etc)...
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A politician arrives with a guard droid - Bam now your guard doesn't recognize your spouce or staff. |
Being that 'recognition' stuff would be hardwired, i cannot see that happening.
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A diplomat arrives with a translator droid - Bam that obscure language, gone. |
See above with the businessman. BUT then again if he is imp related, i can see him getting a pass from diplomatic courtesy.
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I just don't think a blanket wipe policy makes sense it would cause more problems than it solves. |
I see only 1 issue area... And since it is (or should be known about around the place) those going there who don't prepare for it, should only have themselves to blame for having things lost. Just like if they go to a planet which say, flat out prohibits droids, and any attempted to be brought onto the planet are confiscated. OR weapons/armor...
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In ZzaphodD's example the droid may well be a licenced bounty hunter on a hunt. What then? |
And how is he going to prove he is on a hunt?
| Quote: | | Do we have any support about droid wiping as standard procedure or is it a personal interpretation? |
Personal inperpretation from things i read/saw in other modules (iirc one of the WOTC ones i was gandering through as i liked the cover art) and one of the adventure journals.
| Quote: | | I have an even better example. One of my earlier character was a techie kind of guy with a fetish (non sexual) for droids. His pride and joy was 3vil 3d, a rebuilt cargo droid. It started with B-2, a 2m version of the B-1 cargo droid and then added armor, weapons, new movement servos, new programming. I ended up with a STR 9D monster with armour, an upgraded E-web, rocket launcher, electrified hull, a 2m vibroblade (from a industrial scale forest clearing droid). My only concern was that it didnt have the combat skills I needed, and I couldnt write a good enough (for me) program. This was solved when I found a assassin droid head in a droid junk yard. I stripped programming (not daring to use the brain itself) from the head and implemented in my droid getting a 7D blaster skill among other stuff. |
How long did all that take to get done???
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Why not? I have seen players use droids just as effectively as weapons and armor to neuter imperials (especially when they have a droid with 9d computers, 4d (A) computer engineering etc.... |
Droids can be used in such a way but it seems more likely that droids would simply be confiscated and held in a secure facility until the owner leaves in situations like that. After all a wipe won't take out a backup personality and you've got less fallout from people irritated that their droid has to re-learn everything.
| garhkal wrote: | | The businessman would imo be a fool if he knew he was going to a planet like that, and did not have it stored elsewhere... Just like i would be a fool for going from base X in say Okinawa to Base Y in say itally, and expecting my home computer to work the same (different power etc)... |
But droids are ubiquitous in the Star Wars universe, they are on many, many planets and there is no evidence I have seen that they don't work just fine whereever you take them (except in a few special case situations) Also people take their laptops from country to country all the time. With a simple power adapter being almost all they need. In Star Wars they even have power droids.
| garhkal wrote: | | Being that 'recognition' stuff would be hardwired, i cannot see that happening. |
Looking through Cynabars the only mention of Hardwired stuff I can find is TraitWare. Also I'm not sure recognition would be hardwired. Cynibars mentions droids not recognizing old masters and if you're going to resell your old security droid the new owner doesn't want it recognizing you or your staff.
| garhkal wrote: | | I see only 1 issue area... And since it is (or should be known about around the place) those going there who don't prepare for it, should only have themselves to blame for having things lost. Just like if they go to a planet which say, flat out prohibits droids, and any attempted to be brought onto the planet are confiscated. OR weapons/armor... |
Just one area perhaps if it is a military location or something but I still think temporary confiscation makes more sense. From what you were saying earlier I thought you ment that on arrival at the planet your droid was wiped as you passed through customs. I just don't see that being viable.
| garhkal wrote: | | And how is he going to prove he is on a hunt? |
The same way an organic bounty hunter does. I assume the droid would have a serial number identification rather than a fingerprint etc...
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Given the fact that Phrik can be used to construct 'extremely light and durable battle armor', how would its game statistics look like? I was thinking of adding +2D to energy/+1D to physical.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phrik
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Esoomian
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Doesn't a Magnaguard already have an amour rating?
Is it replacing it's existing amour or adding to it?
The nice thing about the magnaguard droids is that decapitation doesn't stop them.
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| Esoomian wrote: | Doesn't a Magnaguard already have an amour rating?
Is it replacing it's existing amour or adding to it?
The nice thing about the magnaguard droids is that decapitation doesn't stop them. |
In this case it would be adding, that is just from a mechanical point of view (ie the resulting protection). It might as well be replacing, but then one would perhaps have to make it +3D/+2D
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Adding amour over amour would almost certainly result in a dex penalty.
Replacing is probably better but I haven't seen much in the way of unpowered amour that provides 3D in protection.
2D is the most I would go for amour that has no dex penalty, isn't powered or unique (Like Boba Fett's amour)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Esoomian wrote: | Adding amour over amour would almost certainly result in a dex penalty.
Replacing is probably better but I haven't seen much in the way of unpowered amour that provides 3D in protection.
2D is the most I would go for amour that has no dex penalty, isn't powered or unique (Like Boba Fett's amour) |
Even Bobas armour isnt made out of Phrik or Mandalorian Iron (until later).
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | Even Bobas armour isnt made out of Phrik or Mandalorian Iron (until later). |
No and it should suffer if it's hit with a lightsaber but it is still (almost) unique and the technology to make amour that good seems to be lost if it's rarity is anything to go by.
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