Conversions - The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide

[strongarm85]

[Amra]

[Amra]

[cheshire]

Personally, I think haggling over how to do the Unleashed part of Force Unleashed is nickle and dime stuff compared to the wealth of useful information contained in the Campaign Guide. We really should be focusing our attention on how to do the Force Powers, Droids, equipment, and ships in the book first. Like all WotC stuff, some things (like some Force Powers, talents, and the like) won't convert over.

Let's focus on the stuff we can get done, and then once we've got all of that, then we can worry about rule modifications IF we decide that a Force Unleashed mechanic is balanced and necessary.

Just my two cents.

P.S.I'll be back on the conversion track probably in the next week and a half.
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[Amra]

First, I'd say that I do not see haggling so much as I see veteran D6ers bouncing ideas off of each other to adapt new mechanics into the old system. I'd rather collaborate in this manner with other players than simply be spoon fed cookbook conversions.

Second, I have TFU sourcebook and the Unleashed aspect of the game (other than ship/character stats) are about the only thing I have any interest in incorporating. Judging from the robust dialogue over the last few days, I'd wager that I'm not the only one interested in doing so.

So while I'm curious to see what other sort of mechanics you and others have mined out of TFU, particularly since I find most of it unusable, some of us are having a fairly interesting conversation about Unleashing.

Necessary isn't really the focus. Fun is.

[cheshire]

Touche'.


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[Ankhanu]

I was working on a post for this earlier on my other computer... but it seems I didn't post it before I had to plug it back in and leave it alone. I'll post it later on.
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[Doomhead]

[Ankhanu]

From Earlier:

[Delkarnu]

Simple d6 way to do things with only a small rule change, just allow a person to spend multiple force points, each one doubles the die pool 1FP = 2x, 2FP = 4x, 3FP = 8x, 4FP=16x, ... , 14FP = 16,384x, 20FP = 1,048,576x

16,384 x 7d = 114688D

400,000 / 3.5 = approx 114,285 D6 to roll on average, so you could TK a Star Destroyer with 7D Alter and 14 FP (pretty close to the 10 being talked about to buy an unleashed point, and you could spend less for smaller scales).

As to rolling that many D, I'd say roll 4x and multiply it out to get your roll.

I would say no more than half of the FP get returned, and only for a truly epic, heroic, dramatically appropriate, at a turning point for the Galaxy. For all others, 2FP returned at the end of the adventure. If a GM wants an unleashed game, he can give out FPs like candy

[Amra]

I played a Jedi regularly for 2 years and I think I netted 5 FPs total in that time. In a campaign where the judge has any sensibilities, the 10 FPs for one Unleashed feat would essentially be a once in a character event for something bordering on ridiculous and would take a long time to earn. I also still like the idea of Unleashing working for one high roll over a scene span of time, rather than a single action in a single round.

Most of the times that I used FPs were to compensate for low Dice pools in skills/powers against higher level Dark Jedi, etc, at the right moments. I never really used FPs to pull of any sort of "Unleashed" power.
I once used an FP with a Blaster against a Dark Jedi's lightsaber deflect. I beat his roll with the FP and destroyed the lightsaber. This is, to me, the general type use of a FP.

Ripping an ISD down, or causing it to crash into something, would be prolonged feat over a span of time and this is where I see Unleashed Points coming into play.

I would even say that to balance it out, using an Unleashed Point will reduce whatever primary skill/attribute/force power Die by 1D.

[Delkarnu]

Thats kinda why I like the multiple FP to use an "unleashed" ability, the GM can control how powerful the game becomes, handing out FPs at the end of each session like CPs (and having the villains get them to use as well) and it lets the characters do some really cool things, but at a high cost. In a normal campaign, I never usually have more than two at a time, getting them back when I spend them, but no extras

[Doomhead]

Isn't this already covered in the rule book? 2nd Edition pg 59 - Difficulty Guidelines

"Heroic - Something that's almost impossible to do, and calls for extraordinary effort and luck. Very seldom will this kind of success just happen. Example: Shooting a proton torpedo into a small exhaust port without the benefit of a targeting computer."

Even one of my oldest Jedi character only has 7 Force Points. I guess if you are playing a Forced Unleashed type of campaign that you could, as a GM, dole out more Force points.

Although i dislike this approach -


Yet another reason why the "New" Star Wars material is over powered and shinier, brighter, faster etc. Even though most of the stories take place before the original trilogy!!! But I digress, this topic has been hashed out and ranted over before on this Forum.
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[jmanski]

Amen, brother.

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