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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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ahhh, cool beans
yea, i really cant see how a starfighter would have enough power for all that. _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Falcon79 Commander
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 406 Location: The Planet of Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | ahhh, cool beans | What's that mean? Is it Canadian slang?
vong wrote: | Yea, i really cant see how a starfighter would have enough power for all that. | Yeah, the Y-Wing is an older design so it has a larger, but less powerful, power core. The Zanlites installed one of their own designs of power core in (they have HAVE very advanced, and powerful, power core designs; one of the resons Warlord Lorn Invaded was to aquire it so he could sheild all his TIE fighter forces with minimal modifications to the TIEs), but still the P-Beamers are best not fired when operating the other energy weapons: it can trip breakers and cause the cockpit lights and life support to flicker on and off....... _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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dunno, think its just slang i picked up.
you shoudl add that then. either x or y can be active at once. a easy starship gunnery roll can switch active weapons type thing. _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Falcon79 Commander
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 406 Location: The Planet of Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | dunno, think its just slang i picked up.
you shoudl add that then. either x or y can be active at once. a easy starship gunnery roll can switch active weapons type thing. | Will do. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14230 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Falcon79 wrote: | The exchange rate (when trade, eventualy, starts with the known galaxy) of a zanlaunian credi-coin and an Imperial (or New Republic) Credit would be 1 (for Imp or NR credit) to 1.25 (for Zanlite credi-coins), so it costs MORE than it looks on the suface. |
And the book price for a Y wing is 135000, and that is with only 3 weapons, no b/u hyperdrive that is faster than all printed ships back ups, a space speed of 1 less AND no nav comp. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Falcon79 Commander
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 406 Location: The Planet of Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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garhkal wrote: | Falcon79 wrote: | The exchange rate (when trade, eventualy, starts with the known galaxy) of a zanlaunian credi-coin and an Imperial (or New Republic) Credit would be 1 (for Imp or NR credit) to 1.25 (for Zanlite credi-coins), so it costs MORE than it looks on the suface. |
And the book price for a Y wing is 135000, and that is with only 3 weapons, no b/u hyperdrive that is faster than all printed ships back ups, a space speed of 1 less AND no nav comp. | See the Y-Wing Long Probe Variant in the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook, that's what this is actually based on. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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Falcon79 Commander
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 406 Location: The Planet of Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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This could go in Ships and Equipment, but I wanted it critiiqued from a GM's view so here goes (now with fluff):
Gun Griffin "Zanlite Y-Wing" Star Fighter
Craft: Kurn-Grimms Astronautics GGR-446 Starfighter
Type: Long Range General Purpose Starfighter
Scale: Starfighter
Length: 16 meters
Skill: Starfighter Piloting Y-Wing
Crew: 1 (plus 1 astromech droid, can coordinate)
Cargo Capacity: 80 kilograms
Consumables: 3 Weeks
Cost: 150,000 Zanlaunian Credi-Coins (225,000 Imperial or New Republic credits) (New), 75,000 (112,500 Imperial or New Republic Credits) (used); not available in the New Republic or Empire
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x1
Hyperdrive Backup: x6
Nav Computer: Yes (Backup: Uses Astromech Droid programed with 15 jumps)
Maneuverability: 3D
Space: 8
Atmosphere: 365; 1,050 kmph
Hull: 4D+1
Shields: 1D+2 (Outer Combat Particle Shields), 1D+2 (Energy Shields)
Sensors:
Passive: 40/0D
Scan: 70/1D
Search: 80/2D
Focus: 4/3D
Weapons:
2 pulse-Wave Cannons (Fire-Linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Skill: Starship Gunner
Fire Control: 2D+1
Space Range: 1-3/12/24
Atmosphere Range: 100-300/1.2/2.4 km
Damage: 5D
2 Particle Beamer Cannons (Fire-Linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D+1
Space Range: 1-4/8/16
Atmosphere: 100-400/800/1.6
Damage: 6D*
*Note: Ignores Ray Sheilding but can only be active at the same time as only ONE other, of the energy weapon systems (Either the Pulse-Wave Cannons OR the Light Ion Cannons: one or the other)
2 Conncussion Torpedo Launchers
Fire Arc: Front
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1/4/9
Atmosphere Range: 50-100/400/900
Damage: 8D+1
2 Light Ion Cannons (Fire-Linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D+2
Space Range: 1-3/7/36
Atmosphere Range: 100-300/700/3.6 km
Damage: 4D
This is the most current, main space fighter, of the Zanlaunian Armed Forces: The design is based on the (mostly) intact carcasses of a number of and Koensayr BTL-S3 and BTL-A4 "Long Probe" Y-Wing fighters salvaged by the Squibs and sold to the Zanlites. The Zanlite starship manufacterer, Kurn-Grimms, Ironed out what they considered flaws in the original Koensayr design (particularly in the Speed and Maneuverability departments), and replaced the weaponry and power core with Zanlite manufactured weapons that didn't required short supplies of Blaster Gas, and a powerful Zanlite designed power core. They also, as well, added "Combat Particle Shielding" (a patented feature in Zanlite ship manufacture): an second outer layer of particle sheilds necessitated by Zanlite preferance for using Particle Beamers and Mass Drivers in starship combat (considered antiquated elsewhere, but have been HIGHLY advanced and refined in Zanlite Space). The Zanlites kept the simple and easy to learn control layout of the Koensayr original specs as well as the long range and internal nave computer of the Long Probe variant with a astromech droid: typhically a Utili-Mech AR-39 Series Droid (Based on Industrial Automation's R-Series Astro-Droids) that can be progrgrammed with 15 hyperspace jumps. The Design is Not a interceptor and not a bomber, but a Fighter-Bomber designed for numerous roles in combat. The Design was named the "Gun Griffin" in the honor of the Gyr Griffin, a a hardy, fierce and majestic (and very loyal and trustworthy) domesticated flying war-mount used by the Yoo' Chokk a fierce near-human race encountered by the Zanlites, and has since carried by the Zanlites to many inhabitable worlds in Zanlite Space. It is a capable and very durable fighter craft. Note: Edited it some more. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for.......
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14230 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Still looks a little high for what it is. Even with the inc cost (though not much).. IMO with having both a nav comp AND a back up hyperdrive more potent than anything else listed (iirc the best i have seen in any printed book was X8) there would not be enough room to put in a power core for all that shielding, and weaponry... Also concussion missiles are 8d, while proton torps are 9d.. these concussion torps being at 8d+2 are almost as potent as protons.....
Overall it seems to munchinny for a race who has (from what i remember of your write up) been kept out of galactic affairs for a while... Even the Yeveth did not have this level of tech improvement, and they had years upon years of examining imperial tech. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Falcon79 Commander
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 406 Location: The Planet of Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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garhkal wrote: | Still looks a little high for what it is. Even with the inc cost (though not much).. IMO with having both a nav comp AND a back up hyperdrive more potent than anything else listed ( iirc the best i have seen in any printed book was x8 ) there would not be enough room to put in a power core for all that shielding, and weaponry... Also concussion missiles are 8d, while proton torps are 9d.. these concussion torps being at 8d+2 are almost as potent as protons.....
Overall it seems to munchinny for a race who has (from what i remember of your write up) been kept out of galactic affairs for a while... Even the Yeveth did not have this level of tech improvement, and they had years upon years of examining imperial tech. |
Actually there IS a cannon Y-Wing that has a x6 Backup drive and internal Navi-Comp (The "Long Probe" Variant used by the Alliance) it's in WEG's SWD6 Rebel Alliance Sourcebook: Second Editiion on page 83 to 86, and I guess you don't have it (Otherwise you'd of seen it: it's what this is based on literally: I'll show you it when you come by.). The Zanlite have had Hperspace travel since 5 centuries BBY (more than the Yevethna (S.P.?), but much less than others (they've had the time to develop their tech, and most of it they already had at that time, 'cepting the hyperdrives) but have mostly stayed relitively close to home ('cause of a lack of good astrogation charts basically), but still prefer long range ships as they continue to scout farther afield. If it turned out Munchy, it's not intentional. I put it up to see what needs to be changed and balanced on it. (Man, I wish I could find my notes on 'em, I'm operating of memory here. ). I'm still very Inexperienced with SWD6. Give me time and I'll get better. What would you suggest to balance it out a bit Garhkal? I'm trying to Balance the "coolness factor" with reasonable stats (I edited it some more) . Thanks for your constructive criticisism everyone. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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vong Jedi
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 6699 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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personally i would bring the hyperdrive down to x1.5 and the backup at like x8 (if you must keep it. i would drop it all together.) drop the man down to 2D and the space down to 6. maybe drop one of the cannons as well. _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Falcon79 Commander
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | personally i would bring the hyperdrive down to x1.5 and the backup at like x8 (if you must keep it. i would drop it all together.) drop the man down to 2D and the space down to 6. maybe drop one of the cannons as well. | Hmmm... I could see dropping the Hyperdrive and backup down to a x1.5 and x8 (Have to keep the backup BECAUSE it's based on the Y-Wing Long Probe model/variant) and it's supposed to be improved to at be least equal to early model X-Wings in speed and maneuverability, maybe if I reduced the fire control a bit more or tweeaked the weapon damages a bit.......... Hmmm........ Maybe both...... I don't know, I'll look in to it. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for.......
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vong Jedi
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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i know what you are getting at its just in my mind, things with that much power and bulk wont be able to move around as fast. epically in such a small frame..... _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Falcon79 Commander
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | i know what you are getting at its just in my mind, things with that much power and bulk wont be able to move around as fast. epically in such a small frame..... | I was actually picturing it as a SW equivalent to a WWII P-47 Thunderbolt (that plane WAS actually one of the faster american fighters, and quite manuverable despite it's heavy armor and bulk at at around IIRC about 7-8 tons: the thing was a beast for it's time, capable of taking 20mm cannon shells in one to a few of the cylinders of it's radial engine and keep flying - this is how I pictured the Gun Griffin ), and besides 16 meters is pretty dang big for a Star Wars fighter, I think only the B-Wing (and a couple of others) get bigger than that fighter-wise. _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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vong Jedi
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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that is true. big fighter, small freighter.
I think if you made it an attack freighter (pulled it up to 20m, still starfighter scale) it would sit well in my stomac. more room for more power... _________________ The Vong have Arrived
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Falcon79 Commander
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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vong wrote: | that is true. big fighter, small freighter.
I think if you made it an attack freighter (pulled it up to 20m, still starfighter scale) it would sit well in my stomac. more room for more power... | Hmmm....... How about if if I increase it to say 18 to 19 meters (slightly larger cockpit and engines than a the Y-Wings it's based off of).... _________________ Not the droid you're looking for....... |
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