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OtterJethro
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| Ankhanu wrote: | | vong wrote: | nice, you can tell who the math geeks are around here.  |
I'm a bio geek... math isn't my forte, but I need to use it  |
I like math but will be going into law school in a couple years. |
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Gry Sarth
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I now see that the +5 for extra 500m is a bit much, better make it around 100m, 200m at most.
Garkhal, for me your ranges are a bit too low. Remember that this is simply sensing the presence of life, nothing beyond that (unless you have some extra success), so a 60m radius for Heroic seems to me a bit low. A poerful Jedi should be able to sense the life in a considerable area around him.
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OtterJethro
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I would agree with Gry, 60 meters isn't that far if you think about it.... |
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Gry Sarth
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Ankhanu, you actually make a velid geek point. When setting the ranges, I was thinking that they should increase exponentially, like WEG usually does. What I failed to consider, however, is that with a constant range increase the area covered already increases exponentially.
I'll have to think it over some more, and maybe revise the ranges a bit.
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garhkal
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. Hows about
10M/V.Easy
20M/Easy
50M/Mod
90M/Diff
140M/V.diff
2000M/Heroic..
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OtterJethro
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| that actually sounds like a pretty good range there garhkal. I would say 140 meters for very difficult would be fair and then 1600 is a mile away. |
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Gry Sarth
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That's good Garkhal, but I think you meant 200m for Heroic right? Not 2K. However, I don't much like 10m for V.Easy. I think the lowest "setting" should be something very close, just the room you're in.
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Ankhanu
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Life Detection |
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| Gry Sarth wrote: | Very Easy - 5 meters radius
Easy - 10 meters radius
Moderate - 20 meters radius
Difficult - 50 meters radius
Very Difficult - 100 meters radius
Heroic - 200 meters radius |
| garhkal wrote: | Ok. Hows about
10M/V.Easy
20M/Easy
50M/Mod
90M/Diff
140M/V.diff
2000M/Heroic.. |
I assume 2000 should be 200?
Personally, I like Gry's original ranges, they're quite sensible. |
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Gry Sarth
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Yeah, I think I'm set on my ranges. Now I'm just not to sure how it should go beyond Heroic. +5 for each additional 100m? 150m? 200m?
And then there's the whole "moving the radius center" thing, which many didn't quite like. I still think it makes sense to have something like that. Maybe it just needs to be better thought out.
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OtterJethro
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| i dont mind moving the radius center, especially if you have something to gauge it from. I tend to use my friend sneaking out there as my gauge. I can't communicate well as to not give away his position, but I sense where he is and go from there. I also would decrease the difficulty of going in one direction like a cone. Anyway, sounds logical to me. |
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Ankhanu
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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+5/100m is the most reasonable to me. Even the most powerful Jedi still seemed relatively limited/reasonable compared to other mystical beings in other story settings.
The moving the center thing still bothers me.
For the simple reasoning that you brought up for why it would make sense to do it, Gry:
| Gry Sarth wrote: | | It's like when you're analizing a building in the distance. When you focus on it, absorbing all its details, you see very little of what's around you, all your vision is focused on that spot. |
I assumed that you were using vision as your surrogate here.
When using this sort of idea, you're not shifting the origin of the sense used to analyze the building (ie. your vision); you're narrowing the width of field and extending the focal range, but the sensing origin (the eye) is still in the same spot (the person). You haven't moved the center/origin of sensing, you're simply changing the shape of the area sensed, while maintaining the initial origin.
If you move the origin of the radius, rather than the shape of the area sensed, you're imposing a disconnect between the Jedi and their senses, rather than extending their senses out from their bodies. This works with D&D style magic, but doesn't, imo, fit within how the Force works. |
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garhkal
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| Gry Sarth wrote: | | That's good Garkhal, but I think you meant 200m for Heroic right? Not 2K. However, I don't much like 10m for V.Easy. I think the lowest "setting" should be something very close, just the room you're in. |
Yes i did mean 200m... Thanks for the catch.
As to 10 meters not being right. Many rooms are only 6-7 meters internal dimentions each way, so that will be sufficient to get all the room.
| gry sarth wrote: | | And then there's the whole "moving the radius center" thing, which many didn't quite like. I still think it makes sense to have something like that. Maybe it just needs to be better thought out. |
Cause to me, that would be more of a seperate ability.. distance life sense. Similar to how affect others pain is a seperate ability than controlling your own.
So with that in mind here goes.
Distance Life sense.
Required powers: Receptive telepathy, projective telepathy, life sense.
Control and sense power
Control roll - 10 for force sensitive people acting as the 'anchor point', 15 for non force sensitive people acting as the anchor point.
Sense roll - Very easy - 5 meter sphere around the anchor person. 50m distance from the force user that the anchor point can go.
Easy - 10m around the anchor point, with 75m the AP can go out to
Moderate - 25m around the anchor point with 100m distance the AP can go out to
Difficult - 50m around the AP with 150m distance the AP can go out to
V.difficult - 75m around the AP, with 200m distance the AP can go out to
Heroic - 100m around the AP with 250m distance the AP can go out to.
When using this power, the force user, touches the head of someone who will act as an anchor point for life sense, then activates the power. During the time the power is kept up, the force user is limited to half movement and cannot act other than to defend himself while 'seeing through the AP.
If the AP goes beyond the range, the power drops suddenly, but if he comes back within 1 round, it can be 're-enabled' at a simple sense roll of 10. Otherwise it requires a full bringing up of the power again to re-establish the power.
Difficult[/quote]
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Gry Sarth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Well done, Garkhal. But again, that's not what I see myself, the two-powers thing...
I was thinking how the whole "focused beam" thing could be implemented with a simple system. How about something that, by limiting your Life Detection to a single arc (front, back, left, right, above, below) you double your range?
Result of focused detection:
V.Easy - 10m
Easy - 20m
Moderate - 40m
Difficult - 100m
Very Difficult - 200m
Heroic - 400m
+5 for each additional 200m
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| That works better, imo. |
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garhkal
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Gry, but the way you said of what you imagined, it fits. Since many other powers require a seperate skill to use them on others..
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